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Palouser
Posts: 2,239
Registered: ‎05-13-2010

Ukraine is serious now

IMO it would appear that Putin is going to dismember Ukraine. He'll start with Crimea but I don't believe he will stop there. If Crimea is taken eastern Ukraine will probably follow.

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clayton58
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Re: Ukraine is serious now

Pal, I have not taken time to learn about the issues involved.  So...  What, if any action do you see the US taking?  And in your opinion, what if any action should the US take?  And to stay on topic, how does this affect markets, long-term as well as short-term?

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giolucas
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Re: Ukraine is serious now

Like Clayton, wondering what will happen to the market on Sunday night?  

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capinegro3901115
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From what I have been reading the Crimea is mostly Russians that are there. The Black Sea port in Sevastopol is very important to both Russia and Ukrane. Both would want that port to stay open and working. Putin putting it to BO. Trying to let the world see who has more power. This could be a money game which Ukrane needs badly. Who has the better deal US Eurpoean C, or Russian interest??

This is one reason imho that corn and wheat had a very nice come back from Thursday bean break. Weekend unsettleness in the Ukraine.

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425Cat
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I know the USA is heavily in debt however floating a bailout package to the Ukraine would be a good investment if it would keep the Russians at bay
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Hobbyfarmer
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Re: Ukraine is serious now

You're kidding, right? The theft of eastern Ukrane happened 60/70 years ago.

 

They need to sort this out over there.

 

Did nobody see my HUH thread?

 

here are the maps again...

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Ukrain1.png

 

Over the centuries countries have come and gone AND borders have changed. Kind of like the weather.

 

With the crime and corruption from the top to the bottom levels of society pouring money in there would just be no different than a junkie just needing "one more fix".

There are things money just can't fix.

60% of the time, it works every time.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of dung by the clean end."
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Palouser
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The issue is power and control

Money has nothing to do with it now because covering debt does not keep Putin from using the pretext of Ukranian unrest as a reason for reestablishing what he believes is Russia's historic empire. As far as I know there is no threat by Ukraine to Russia's military bases in Crimea which are leased and conrtrolled by Russia.

 

This will be Putin recreating empire. A Ukraine with ties to the West isn't tolerable as far as he's concerned. A Ukraine ruled by a despotic oligarch under the Russian thumb is. He's not embarrassed or concerned by this.

 

There WILL be sanctions if Putin continiues, and I expect him to continue. But Russia is one of the world's biggist producers of energy, and Europe (and Ukraine) is very dependent on these supplies for heat and energy. In addition he is the ally of Iran and Syria. This situation indicates the strong possibility of a new 'Cold War' even if not quite on the scale of the old since eastern Europe is mostly free with the exception of those FSU states ruled by dicators.

 

Markets will be affected in predictable ways over time.

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425Cat
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My relatives came from chechslovokia. Tell me how that worked out for them when the Russians rolled in. Yeah i know money isnt the cure all but isn't there something we can do before the bodies start piling up.
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Hobbyfarmer
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Registered: ‎01-10-2012
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We can't or wont stop a bunch of baby carrying Mexicans right here at home.

 

Heavily armed Russians "defending the homeland". Ask the Germans how that worked out.

 

Still cold weather there too. Where does the fuel for a large part of Europe come from?

 

Looks like a firm grip on their nuts to me. Just squeeze down on the valves on the pipelines.

 

You want to fight something? Fight the take over and socialism right here at home.

60% of the time, it works every time.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of dung by the clean end."
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elcheapo
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Registered: ‎02-11-2013
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Ah, this all reads like a book. Russia is
trying to come back. First we rally people
outside. We show we have a verial leader,
He's young, tough, intelligant. Recently
Been bear hunting, and running about
Without a shirt so all can see how big
A man he is.
Then we "host the world" to show that
Russia is not some throwback place. All
Went well except when the last ring did
not deploy on opening night. I wonder
who the poor devil was that got sent to
siaberia.
Someone mentioned the problem...black
gold....notice who is friends with who.
Market impact, first, any upheaval in the
world is friendly oil..commodities might go
up but most money will flow to oil market.
This will impact us (farmers) by higher
Inputs. The chemical co will say due to
Higher oil, but the truth is oil is a small
Fraction of cost. Much the same as with

The price of bread, the wrapper cost more
Than wheat.

With all of this, domestic energy is critical.
I think that is what one security report
Said. Our options, decrease energy consumption (difficult), or more energy,
only way is renewelable. Etoh, biodiesel,
Wind, solar.
This will help the economy (stability in rural
America.....read stable prices) and not make
Us bend under others control.

Now to make sure our leaders understand,
They are not the smartest bunch. After
all everyone know that the smart ones
Don't get into political stuff.

Ok, I'll shut up now and go crawl under a
Rock from which I came (alot warmer there)