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hardnox604008
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Re: the new anizasi

http://kunstler.com/blog/2013/01/commitments-and-obligations.html

 

James Kunstler's weekly rant.  If you follow his regular missives and periodic larger works you'll get used to the fact that he will eventually offend everybody so I'd caution against getting too self satisfied if anything he says this time happens to resonate especially with you- ikewise if it offends.

 

But anyway, among the multitude of 50,000 foot truths he's expounded in recent years has been the sheer, ludicrous insanity of pretending that we're going to save our sprawl economy with corn squeezins'- that would be even, and maybe especially, for the consideration of those of us who have been on the receiving end of that particular desperate government boondoggle.

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sw363535
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Re: the new anizasi

Just took a "drive by" while hobby was doing a "fly over".  I gotta say----------- more than ever, you states with the famous water problem(too much--gotta flush it into the streams to grow a crop)  and the ever increasing yields from that black soil that looks like you just spread 40 ton of rsw------------- are doing absolutely nothing to stop turning the heart of "trend-line" production country into suburbs.  In Missouri for instance, how long before KC commuters live next to sedilia commuters who live next to Columbia commuters, who live next to St Louis commuters.  Frankly,  It looks like Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, Indiana --(-That's about the sum of my travels)  are all mad about the size of the cities(or the ignored crime rate) and are fighting it by going out and buying a personal(country) 10 acres to live on.

This is one way that you self rightous heart of the corn belt--------"no one else matters" fools are shoving the problem out on the fringe acres.

I listened to a TV comedian belittle Nebraska's population last night--------- I here tunnel visioned MT(and many others) say "you shouldn't farm the desert"---------------"it's stupid to farm the fringe".  But I am going to throw this out.

What moron builds a tractor or sprayer factory on the best soil of the US so we have to break out two counties out west to replace the productive capacity of the land that its plant and employees take out of production?

Then I get to Chicago, St. Louis, KC, Davenport, Omaha, etc etc etc and I am glad I live three states away.  A cornfield in Iowa is not far enough.  We are doing a gastric bypass on Charles Atlas.  

I look at the stats and I don't see huge populations in Iowa and Missouri, but driving through it looks like everyone wants to live in the country and work in an office.

 

Thanks in advance for dumping the food responsibilities on someone else.

sw
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sw363535
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With that thought in mind,  A case can be made that the price of farmland in Iowa is an unknown factor.  

Is it possible that the "spec" value of Iowa(or any other I state) rural property has been rising for 30+ years while the agriculture production value of the same land has actually been falling for the same time period?  

 

Every time a new high price for "farm" land in Iowa comes up, some egocentric distant relative of agriculture runs the rich farmer flag up the flag pole again.  When in reality that price is set by many factors, of which fewer and fewer have their roots in production per acre of commodities.  Example-----A **bleep** good hunting spot is worth more than 400 b/a corn, when it comes right down to it.  

So if it strokes your retired ego to value your dirt by someone elses desire to live in rustic america or kill a deer next to the feeder like Daniel Boone did, do it quietly.  Because judging by the fact that production ag is quickly becoming the enemy of good health,  that lands "grain production" value may not be what we think it is.

 

If you want to see how "farm land" value is being destroyed---------- look first to the ones on this site, in a land management office or at the coffee shop who promote the optimization of rental rates.  That land has already made the jump from farm land to investment property.  And those folks don't give an mt's butt about anything but themselves and their cut(and how to make it bigger).

sw
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Hobbyfarmer
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SW u hit the one hot button that would always get my dad wound up. Use of prime farm land for urban sprawl.

I looked at it as eventually my production and prices would reflect the folly.

Just nothing quite like the sight of heavy equipment making humps and hollows out of 200bu corn ground for a new golf course. Or maybe driving down the interstate here in Ioway and seeing A 80ac of 200+ ground with a Casino on it.

You out in the margins have no idea what it is like to have citidiots buy small farms and just farm houses out here in the country to get away from the city life then immeditatly bring their city ways and ideas with them and have the gaul to try to impose that crap on us.
We have met the enemy and he is us.
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sw363535
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Re: the new anizasi

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Hobby,

 

To whatever extent land prices are raised by speculative (non ag production) value,  It is the method by which land is taken away from Ag.  The greedy owners who push rental rates and greedy heirs have some control over that.  Or should I say blame?  

 

Unfortunately farmers will get the blame for the prices if they are the final bid, but what that really means is he was willing to risk his net worth to save one more field from the developer or the out of production profiteer.

 

There has to be a tipping point here somewhere in time when we start the trek to the "remember when this was all tall corn" and "we were the land of plenty" era.

 

Imo ----- The struggle of the young guys now is economic effeciency,  not peak production------- that may be a gone concept regardless of weather.    I am not on the civilization crash bus,  I think we can trim consumption a lot and live well.  But the "look arounds" sure point out change is always present.

sw
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ECIN
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Hey Hobby , I have a brain storm here !  What about a Government buy out of all these country want to be's and then send them out to the fringe area's ! 

 

Then we could bulldoze there houses and barns and go bad to farming the good ground here ?  LOL 

 

BTW --- Don't forget the sunscreens ! I here it's warm out your way , lol  hve fun and don't forget the pictures !

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JCCWIS
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Remember : Everyoneof these 10 acre estates on prime crop ground was sold off by the farmer of that ground to someone who offered unheard of  $$$$$$ per acre for that little chunk of real estate. Then , when the palace is built , the real cost of the developement begins to take place when the owner tries to bring the city to the country.

 

 No...you can't plant that neighboring field at night  !!!   What spread manure next to my $500,000 house....NO WAY !! These roads have to be upgraded.......can't be driving the new Lexes down this POS road !!! I want more police protection out here, the other day a car drove by real slow.....must be casing my million $$ property !!!  And on and on....it never ends  !!!  John

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Hobbyfarmer
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SW would you be referring to all the JD plants in Ioway?
Maybe the CNH plant at Grand Island Ne?;
60% of the time, it works every time.

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we have seen

Hobby, you are telling your age now. I was in Viet Nam in 67. North with the US Navy. Pogo came out with that famous saying. The old man never lett us forget what was said. Sir we have seen the enemy and it is us.

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sw363535
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just an example hobby.  I tried to pick one that fit farmers-----there are many.  Really, I would move Des Moines out to a sand hill out west and farm that stuff.  What a disturbing place to build a city that big.                

 :smileyhappy:

 

Have some fun---------------------- it is COLD here.

sw