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hardnox604008
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A good site to bookmark

Adam Curtis at BBC. Some pretty sophisticated stuff, always interesting.  I'm not sure if he is really left and right- note his Poodles of Power include both BHO and Ms. Thatcher's heir, David Cameron.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2012/01/the_years_of_stagnation_and_th.html

 

If you missed this one from November about the rise of the modern think tank as a means of social engineering.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/09/the_curse_of_tina.html

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Samnospam
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Re: A good site to bookmark

The stuff about the rise of the think tank is BS. The robber barons of the 19rh century funded organizations that were essentially think tanks.
bruce MN
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Re: A good site to bookmark

Have been forever.  There is a difference though, to some degree.  Those were essentially cabals that were organized to buy off politicians and public officials in an age where there was little ability for transparency.  It took powerful figures such as TR and his proteges to arrest or at least curb somewhat  their efforts.  We've got nothing like that now.  The least cynical among us are still terribly cynical.

 

The real manufacturing of consent didn't get wheels under it to shape public opinion without the public ever knowing it was being played until there was a radio in every home and office.

 

There have always been guilds and chambers. And of course the clergy and church hierarchy.  And notable dissidents who could make large numbers of commoners take on just about any belief if effective enough.  But this guy points out very well the timing as to when modern society was framed and structured in order to make it so much easier.

bruce MN
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Re: A good site to bookmark

Was reading the 2nd one about Fisher and how he was the godfather of factory farming in the UK.

 

Took me to thinking about this guy:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Walther_Darr%C3%A9 

and the influence he had on notable members of the Reich who worked on "master race" projects as well as the Final Solution.  A big influence on Himmler, Hess and others.

 

 

Samnospam
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Re: A good site to bookmark

Just more BS, the foundations started by Carnegie, Rockefeller, et al were organizations building public policy and influencing public opinion in exactly the manner of modern think tanks. They employed the intellects of the day, all scum sucking progressives of course. There were congressional hearings over the undue influence of these organizations.
bruce MN
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Re: A good site to bookmark

You said it right...FOUNDATIONS...there is a difference.  Foundations work out in the open...build and pay for things.  Fund projects.  Underwrite research.  What  PR they grow they grow through philanthropy. 

 

They are also huge tax avoidance machines.  But you'd be OK with anything that offers up that opportunity to anyone or any concern.  Large or small.  Rich or poor.  Individual or corporation. 

 

 

The  Kochs are big donors to the arts and opera world.  Also big PBS donors.  That is beniegn influence.  Gets you some admiration and loyalty and gets your butt kissed whenever you want somene to, but it doesn't leak over into the shaping of mass public opinion.  That is undertaken in a much more subtle fashion.

 

Unless, of course, you are such a pure liberatarian that you think that the libraries that the Carnegies funded all oer the country were influencing opinion through the content of the diversity of books that they lent out to people who had personally selected them for free.  Would the purist view be that people should only read books that they have purchased or had bequethed to them?

 

Who were these "progressives" of the stage in the industrial age that you are framing?  And why would those behemoth corporations and monopolists have employed them?  Did the leaders of the general labor and child labor and the women's suffrage movement  sit on those psuedo-think tank panels run and funded by monoplists and oligarchs?   How the heck could that happen  Those leader of those movements were the "progressives".   Big Boss run politics often saw to their disappearance if anything.

Samnospam
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For instance Bruce, Rockefeller setup a teacher pension program available to schools with just the hitch that the schools had to  teach the foundation's curriculum. You don't think that influences public opinion?

 

The answers to your other questions are available, but I don't think I should have to type out a disertation for your education.  Read Gatto's UHAE, its about education but it applies broadly.  A small clip:

 

For a considerable time, probably provoked by a climate of official anger and contempt directed against immigrants in the greatest displacement of people in history, social managers of schooling were remarkably candid about what they were doing. In a speech he gave before businessmen prior to the First World War, Woodrow Wilson made this unabashed disclosure:

We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a very much larger class of necessity, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks.

By 1917, the major administrative jobs in American schooling were under the control of a group referred to in the press of that day as "the Education Trust." The first meeting of this trust included representatives of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Harvard, Stanford, the University of Chicago, and the National Education Association. The chief end, wrote Benjamin Kidd, the British evolutionist, in 1918, was to "impose on the young the ideal of subordination."

 

 

 

 

r3020
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THAT is why there is never concern about the cost of higher education. They are to be served by us. Any one who questions them are racist thumpers who hate gays and women.

bruce MN
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I always love this one:

 

"For a considerable time, probably provoked by a climate of official anger and contempt directed against immigrants in the greatest displacement of people in history, "

 

 

It never cease to amaze me how right winged writers can say things like that and so completely ignore the obvious.  The last 3 centuries are full of Tuetonic inspired outreach efforts.  "Ours" succeded grandly and then the dominionists who had engineered it rationalized, ala Valhalla...most likely to Wagner in the backround...that they'd  f'in been here all the time.  That a few hundred of thousands or millions of years of this plate having been otherwise occuped had been a mirage.

 

It would have to be as such in order for the hack who wrote that to have done so.

 

One wonders at times how some goofy liberals with their utopian and totally impractical dreamworld setups for society come to them and then you read shilt like that and it becomes easier to understand the reciprocity of extremism and fantasy projection.

Samnospam
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Re: A good site to bookmark

It's well documented Bruce, but stay ignorant, its comfortable.