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Re: A reason to be thankfull

Hey GTO, 0bama got 2.5 million LESS votes than he did in 2008, people are slowly waking up.  Now if 0bama was re elected with more votes then there probably wouldn`t be a small ray of hope for the people of this country.  "none of the above" beat `em both.   In my opinion as bad as 0bama has been the 40% should`ve voted against him in the form of Romney, but apparently it was a pox on both their houses. I think that the 3rd partiers should take note on the 40% that don`t vote, if they could tap into that, they could steamroll the 2 main parties.  I don`t know what kind of candidate that would be, Ron Paul tapped into a portion of them but not even the tip of the iceberg.  The non-voter...hmmm maybe you need to wear a non-descript football jersey, with 38 DD`s, a beer in one hand and a 12 gauge in the other?? 

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Veteran Advisor

Re: A reason to be thankfull

Yes, there was a drop in voters but I suspect that many of them were disappointed repubs who didn't like rommy.  It was closer to the turnout in 2004 since 2008 set a record.  You guys are no longer the " GOP".  You are now the "OWG" party!  You will never win another election until you change that. You lost the minority, under 40, women, and college educated vote.  You did score big among Old White Guys and they are dying off!

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Veteran Advisor

Re: News 4 U

Where do you get your figures?  Are you saying 40% and 60% of the population or those % of registered voters?  BIG diff!

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Re: News 4 U


@schnurrbart wrote:

Where do you get your figures?  Are you saying 40% and 60% of the population or those % of registered voters?  BIG diff!


Yes Bart, there are fewer of "us" and more of these.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237723/Black-Friday-2012-Police-rescuing-year-old-boy-car-l...

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I believe that he was apolitical back then

Whenh says he was.

 

He's registered and locked in now though. No coming back to the middle possible. His instincts tell him to....he's written about that here, but in the end, the Norquist-Bachmann GOP is his home.

 

Best comment letter I've read anywhere lately, from TPM:

 

"Honestly, I find this a bit disturbing. I mean, two weeks ago all these people were defending everything Romney said. He lost the election in part because of some of those criticizing him now.

I can’t remember any Democratic presidential nominee being so vilified after a losing election, even Dukakis.

 

Sure, some candidates are better than others but Romney was by far not the worst candidate the GOP has ever put up. In fact, he was not the worst to run against Obama, if you get my drift. (Hint: he didn’t choose Sarah Palin as his running mate.)

To me this says a great deal more about the GOP than about Romney. If you think a guy like this is so bad, don’t nominate him. Don’t spend a BILLION DOLLARS trying to get him elected then a week later say…’Oops, we goofed. He was a mistake.’

The Republican Party has a problem, but it is not one candidate; it is not packaging or branding; it is not messaging that is sinking the GOP. It is the core beliefs of the vast majority of Republicans.

Their problem is their war on women; war on gays; war on minorities. It is their war on science and math and logic and education and reality. It is listening to nuckle heads like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter and Donald Trump. It is allowing entertainers to determine the direction and policy positions of a major political party. It is following the teaching of extremist religions leaders like the US Catholic Bishops.

But most of all, it is the GOP’s utter lack of respect for anyone who is not like them; supporting an idiot obscure congressman who shouts “You lie” at the President of the United States during the State of the Union Address. Not repudiating truly crazy people who cling to the thumbless notion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It is supporting an insane governor who waves her finger publicly in the face of the President because he rejects her lunatic positions. When the GOP allows or supports these actions, they are condoning disrespect for the majority of Americans who are not aging white men.

Ultimately the Republicans now show Romney the same disrespect and loathing it has for anyone they don’t believe is part of the “Real America.”

That is why the GOP is failing. Not because Romney ran an unsuccessful campaign".

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Re: I believe that he was apolitical back then


@bruce MN wrote:

Whenh says he was.

 

He's registered and locked in now though. No coming back to the middle possible. His instincts tell him to....he's written about that here, but in the end, the Norquist-Bachmann GOP is his home.

 

Best comment letter I've read anywhere lately, from TPM:

 

"Honestly, I find this a bit disturbing. I mean, two weeks ago all these people were defending everything Romney said. He lost the election in part because of some of those criticizing him now.

I can’t remember any Democratic presidential nominee being so vilified after a losing election, even Dukakis.

 

Sure, some candidates are better than others but Romney was by far not the worst candidate the GOP has ever put up. In fact, he was not the worst to run against Obama, if you get my drift. (Hint: he didn’t choose Sarah Palin as his running mate.)

To me this says a great deal more about the GOP than about Romney. If you think a guy like this is so bad, don’t nominate him. Don’t spend a BILLION DOLLARS trying to get him elected then a week later say…’Oops, we goofed. He was a mistake.’

The Republican Party has a problem, but it is not one candidate; it is not packaging or branding; it is not messaging that is sinking the GOP. It is the core beliefs of the vast majority of Republicans.

Their problem is their war on women; war on gays; war on minorities. It is their war on science and math and logic and education and reality. It is listening to nuckle heads like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter and Donald Trump. It is allowing entertainers to determine the direction and policy positions of a major political party. It is following the teaching of extremist religions leaders like the US Catholic Bishops.

But most of all, it is the GOP’s utter lack of respect for anyone who is not like them; supporting an idiot obscure congressman who shouts “You lie” at the President of the United States during the State of the Union Address. Not repudiating truly crazy people who cling to the thumbless notion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It is supporting an insane governor who waves her finger publicly in the face of the President because he rejects her lunatic positions. When the GOP allows or supports these actions, they are condoning disrespect for the majority of Americans who are not aging white men.

Ultimately the Republicans now show Romney the same disrespect and loathing it has for anyone they don’t believe is part of the “Real America.”

That is why the GOP is failing. Not because Romney ran an unsuccessful campaign".


I was just flying through here when i read your post bruce.

Had to take time to reply and I copied it too just so anyone checking gets a chance to read it again.

I read a Canadian article on why the Republicans lost that was written just 1 or 2 days after the election and it said almost all the things in what you posted.

If I can find the article again I will post the link.

 

But it is winter time in Ontario so I need to go enjoy the snow.

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Re: I believe that he was apolitical back then


@bruce MN wrote:

Whenh says he was.

 

He's registered and locked in now though. No coming back to the middle possible. His instincts tell him to....he's written about that here, but in the end, the Norquist-Bachmann GOP is his home.

 

Best comment letter I've read anywhere lately, from TPM:

 

"Honestly, I find this a bit disturbing. I mean, two weeks ago all these people were defending everything Romney said. He lost the election in part because of some of those criticizing him now.

I can’t remember any Democratic presidential nominee being so vilified after a losing election, even Dukakis.

 

Sure, some candidates are better than others but Romney was by far not the worst candidate the GOP has ever put up. In fact, he was not the worst to run against Obama, if you get my drift. (Hint: he didn’t choose Sarah Palin as his running mate.)

To me this says a great deal more about the GOP than about Romney. If you think a guy like this is so bad, don’t nominate him. Don’t spend a BILLION DOLLARS trying to get him elected then a week later say…’Oops, we goofed. He was a mistake.’

The Republican Party has a problem, but it is not one candidate; it is not packaging or branding; it is not messaging that is sinking the GOP. It is the core beliefs of the vast majority of Republicans.

Their problem is their war on women; war on gays; war on minorities. It is their war on science and math and logic and education and reality. It is listening to nuckle heads like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter and Donald Trump. It is allowing entertainers to determine the direction and policy positions of a major political party. It is following the teaching of extremist religions leaders like the US Catholic Bishops.

But most of all, it is the GOP’s utter lack of respect for anyone who is not like them; supporting an idiot obscure congressman who shouts “You lie” at the President of the United States during the State of the Union Address. Not repudiating truly crazy people who cling to the thumbless notion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It is supporting an insane governor who waves her finger publicly in the face of the President because he rejects her lunatic positions. When the GOP allows or supports these actions, they are condoning disrespect for the majority of Americans who are not aging white men.

Ultimately the Republicans now show Romney the same disrespect and loathing it has for anyone they don’t believe is part of the “Real America.”

That is why the GOP is failing. Not because Romney ran an unsuccessful campaign".


We know why Romney lost, he is a rich elitist, tax dodger, that killed a steel worker's wife, was going to take birth control away from women, and that was going to take from the middle class and give it all to his rich buddies and he pick the most extreme right wing thumper to be his running mate. AMAZING how all of a sudden the left have fallen in love with Romney /Ryan.

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Re: News 4 U

And this somehow relates to voter turnout???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Re:Crock of Wet, Steaming Manure


@bruce MN wrote:

Whenh says he was.

 

He's registered and locked in now though. No coming back to the middle possible. His instincts tell him to....he's written about that here, but in the end, the Norquist-Bachmann GOP is his home.

 

Best comment letter I've read anywhere lately, from TPM:

 

"Honestly, I find this a bit disturbing. I mean, two weeks ago all these people were defending everything Romney said. He lost the election in part because of some of those criticizing him now.

I can’t remember any Democratic presidential nominee being so vilified after a losing election, even Dukakis.

 

Sure, some candidates are better than others but Romney was by far not the worst candidate the GOP has ever put up. In fact, he was not the worst to run against Obama, if you get my drift. (Hint: he didn’t choose Sarah Palin as his running mate.)

To me this says a great deal more about the GOP than about Romney. If you think a guy like this is so bad, don’t nominate him. Don’t spend a BILLION DOLLARS trying to get him elected then a week later say…’Oops, we goofed. He was a mistake.’

The Republican Party has a problem, but it is not one candidate; it is not packaging or branding; it is not messaging that is sinking the GOP. It is the core beliefs of the vast majority of Republicans.

Their problem is their war on women; war on gays; war on minorities. It is their war on science and math and logic and education and reality. It is listening to nuckle heads like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter and Donald Trump. It is allowing entertainers to determine the direction and policy positions of a major political party. It is following the teaching of extremist religions leaders like the US Catholic Bishops.

But most of all, it is the GOP’s utter lack of respect for anyone who is not like them; supporting an idiot obscure congressman who shouts “You lie” at the President of the United States during the State of the Union Address. Not repudiating truly crazy people who cling to the thumbless notion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It is supporting an insane governor who waves her finger publicly in the face of the President because he rejects her lunatic positions. When the GOP allows or supports these actions, they are condoning disrespect for the majority of Americans who are not aging white men.

Ultimately the Republicans now show Romney the same disrespect and loathing it has for anyone they don’t believe is part of the “Real America.”

That is why the GOP is failing. Not because Romney ran an unsuccessful campaign".


That rant is a pile of steaming manure... to put it nicely.  The dems are better at hustling their sheep to the ballots than the GOP, for the most part, is.  The GOP does not need to out "democrat" the democrats.... they (the dems) do a fine job of being debased sloths all by themselves.  Not one democrat will vote for a Republican under any circumstance.

 

No, the GOP must do several things to get our country back to the high standards it once had.  First, the Conservatives must have as many kids as humanly possible.  Second, the churches must preach the Gospel of Christ as it is meant to mean, without watering it down.

Third, the GOP must appeal to the Hispanics as they become new business men and women...paying higher taxes and watching their Catholic Church being urinated upon by the Socialists.

Fourth, the GOP must out do the DNC in the social networking arena.   The GOP must spend whatever it takes to master connecting to young skulls full of mush and getting them to fill out those absentee ballots for the GOP before the DNC union thugs get to them.

 

The GOP also must out do the enemy in doing opposition research on their opposition, as the Conservatives have to know where all of the skeletons are hidden before they even announce that they are running for something.

 

The GOP has several good things going for them, by the way.  They have a 30 governor margin over the democrats.  That is where the new executive leadership is being cultivated.  They have a huge advantage in the State Houses across this country.  They are the ones who draw up the districts that will be used for the rest of this decade.  If you control the "gerrymandering", you control who controls the US House of Representatives.

 

So, in conclusion, you will have to do much better in trying to push the "it's all over" propaganda to discourage the GOP electorate.  Just remember, 2014 will be here before you know it.  It will be the mid-term election in the middle of Der Führer's Reich of raising taxes, imposing new regulations upon farmers and mis-managing the Economic Depression.

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re: That is interesting logic

Your guy loses by a large margin and an optimist like you focuses on the decline of Obama's votes. As if two or three elections from now Obama will lose by a large margin. Your argument must be that voters are wrong, just not enough of them.

 

I think it is a good idea to focus on the dems instead of wasting your time analyzing what was wrong with your candidate and your message. That your biggest failing was not convincing the opponents. I hope you continue with your chosen philosophy. The campaignof negativism was a great success. That evil OBama has been beat up for four years and you pointed out every flaw. Unfortunately, the public didn't beleive you. He simply was not the devil incarnate and he didn't have a 666 on his fore head.

 

But try again you will. Choose to favor the most outlandish radical you can and out him forth as the candidate. He will lose again unless you pick a more mdoerate reasonable Jeb Bush and you might have a chance. The old money will back him just like they did his brother and you might have a chance. I don't expect youto favor that.