Good Analysis Milligan

[r3020]

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@bruce MN wrote:

Like I said to Red...a real genuine opening for you if you are part of a serious real Republican party and can wrest control of it back from 3020 and  man of steel and the rest of the short circuit to salvation, "Beam me up Jesus!"  gang. 

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Praising the name of the Lord is beam me up Jesus? You hide behind the term extremist to hide your own extreme progressivism.

[bruce MN]

You say:

The lions share of hispanics are catholic.  Gay marriage and such are hot button items which is easily seen in how the vote shook out in CA back in 2008 when gay marriage was defeated in the election only to be overturned by the state supreme court.  Hispanics by and large are very conservative which can easily be seen with how they live.  We have a large hispanic population locally.  A couple of years ago, half of the incoming kindergarten class was of hispanic descent.  They tend to act and live like most of us around here did decades ago.  They tend to come to town to do their shopping once a week like we did when I was a kid.  They live for the most part in very modest homes.  They are very family oriented.  There is one thing that I've witnessed as a change for them in the past ten years though.  They used to buy old tired worn out vehicles, but today they tend to drive as nice or nicer vehicles than the rest of us.  Maybe, they are gravitating more towards consumerism?

That describes a number of So. MN communities to a tee.  almost prescisely,

As for the rest, we need to do that.  Need to get them in on deciding local issues such as should pre-school continue to be free, just as K-12 is.  And need them on the school board, City Council and Twp boards.

Do you on the religious right ever contemplate why hardly any of the kids from any of those strong Catholic Hispanic families ever go to any of  the numerous Catholic High Schools that dot the landscape in the Plains and the Upper Midwest?  I've been told by some of them who came 20-25 years ago from Mexico via a prolonged Texas stop over that they didn't like the way the military, the cops and governmetnal low level officals used the church and the clergy to diss them.  They don't trust the alderman and the Priest  in the same room.

Around here it would be no Grampa and Grandmas and old maid Aunts to pay the tuition, as they do for most of the Gringo kids....so, for reasons among others.... that they DON"T have to go to school with the "s'pics".

You might be up against quite a bit in getting them to buy into "our way", where a standing landed gentry and a handful of prominent business figures run a small town or a township or county.  They might have a damned hard time in telling the difference between that and what they left behind.

[r3020]

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@bruce MN wrote:

You say:

The lions share of hispanics are catholic.  Gay marriage and such are hot button items which is easily seen in how the vote shook out in CA back in 2008 when gay marriage was defeated in the election only to be overturned by the state supreme court.  Hispanics by and large are very conservative which can easily be seen with how they live.  We have a large hispanic population locally.  A couple of years ago, half of the incoming kindergarten class was of hispanic descent.  They tend to act and live like most of us around here did decades ago.  They tend to come to town to do their shopping once a week like we did when I was a kid.  They live for the most part in very modest homes.  They are very family oriented.  There is one thing that I've witnessed as a change for them in the past ten years though.  They used to buy old tired worn out vehicles, but today they tend to drive as nice or nicer vehicles than the rest of us.  Maybe, they are gravitating more towards consumerism?

That describes a number of So. MN communities to a tee.  almost prescisely,

As for the rest, we need to do that.  Need to get them in on deciding local issues such as should pre-school continue to be free, just as K-12 is.  And need them on the school board, City Council and Twp boards.

Do you on the religious right ever contemplate why hardly any of the kids from any of those strong Catholic Hispanic families ever go to any of  the numerous Catholic High Schools that dot the landscape in the Plains and the Upper Midwest?  I've been told by some of them who came 20-25 years ago from Mexico via a prolonged Texas stop over that they didn't like the way the military, the cops and governmetnal low level officals used the church and the clergy to diss them.  They don't trust the alderman and the Priest  in the same room.

Around here it would be no Grampa and Grandmas and old maid Aunts to pay the tuition, as they do for most of the Gringo kids....so, for reasons among others.... that they DON"T have to go to school with the "s'pics".

You might be up against quite a bit in getting them to buy into "our way", where a standing landed gentry and a handful of prominent business figures run a small town or a township or county.  They might have a damned hard time in telling the difference between that and what they left behind.

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Put up some proof.

[bruce MN]

What?  You want names, addresses, ph numbers?  Enrollment records?  Testimony?

No can do. Not because I physically couldn't....I could send you exhausitve information... but in these small commuities, nearly everybody knows why somebody else does what it is that they are doing.   And s for asking those minortiy folks why they don't  go t Ctholic school, I simply wouldn't betray good people, and I can think of nothing that I could do that would be worse for them than to put them in contact with a convicted bigot like you.  They see and have seen enough of that.

You must have a few down there near the old Mason-Dixon line that have slipped past the bounty hunters  and the night riders.  Grab your nuts and walk up to one and ask them why they don't..

[Red Steele]

Agree immensely with the comment about nobody hating the hispanic bums worse than the decent hispanics. Had that play out a decade ago or so with a pair of mexican brothers, hoodlums, rapists, etc. you name it, they did it...and  the worst one was let off after the local law enforcement seemed to have a conviction in hand. The county attorney made the closing remark that the "good white folks" of the jury that the defendent was sneering at were going to surpise him and return a conviction, which they did. THe judge, who was then a public defender, filed suit for racially charged language and the rape conviction was overturned. The guy walked, and Jesse later made the public defender a judge.

Saw almost the same thing play out just a year ago where a jury got hung on another really bad apple, and a woman on the jury said that she did not believe the evidence was conclusive that the guy was knowingly receiving stolen property, when even a blind man could have deduced that. Makes it hard for the cops to keep at it.

THe Hispanics that knew both men were more outraged than probably anyone else. A lot of white  people feel guilty for the excesses of decades ago, and go out of the way not to be racist...so much that we even elect a president with dark pigment, and no resume, just because it is the right thing to do. I guess the pendulum swings both ways, and takes a while to end up in the middle where it belongs.

[r3020]

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@bruce MN wrote:

What?  You want names, addresses, ph numbers?  Enrollment records?  Testimony?

No can do. Not because I physically couldn't....I could send you exhausitve information... but in these small commuities, nearly everybody knows why somebody else does what it is that they are doing.   And s for asking those minortiy folks why they don't  go t Ctholic school, I simply wouldn't betray good people, and I can think of nothing that I could do that would be worse for them than to put them in contact with a convicted bigot like you.  They see and have seen enough of that.

You must have a few down there near the old Mason-Dixon line that have slipped past the bounty hunters  and the night riders.  Grab your nuts and walk up to one and ask them why they don't..

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So in other words you just pulled that rant out of your arse.

We several Hispanics in our Catholic school. They consider themselves Americans, not Hispanics. So does most everyone else.

[Nebrfarmr]

The problem is, if they ask me, if the GOP is really 'better', about all I can say, is their official stances, on tose issues.  As far as my personal opinion, it is generally a tough call.  Bring a pro-life Democrat out, who tries to follow the Constitution, doesn't like wasting money, and I have a hard time saying the GOP guy would be any better.  Yes, there still are some out there. 

[bruce MN]

Nope. Not by a damned sight.   Go check around for yourself.

 You must know someobdy from further away than Bixby.

Or I suppose you could ask the church heirarchy.  They're on a hot streak lately.

[GoredHusker]

I can't speak for all catholic schools, but I do know the reason they don't go to the local catholic schools.  It's because there's a thing called tuition the parents must pay in order for their children to attend catholic school.  

"As for the rest, we need to do that.  Need to get them in on deciding local issues such as should pre-school continue to be free, just as K-12 is.  And need them on the school board, City Council and Twp boards."

First of all, preschool isn't free.  There is no state aid for preschool like there is K-12.  Second, it's pretty difficult to get them on the school board, etc. because most of them around here aren't exactly eligible to vote much less run for public office.  Most of them around here aren't looking for handouts which is why they need to be educated that things they perceive as being free aren't really free.  

Years ago, small communities and such might have been run by a handul of prominent businessmen.  However, it just isn't how things are done anymore.  The local coop might be run by a handful, but the town and community sure as heck isn't.  Most of the bigger businesses aren't even locally owned anymore.   

[cowfarmer]

Selfish, shifty, old white people, Hey now leave Kraft alone, he never hurt you.