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America for sale

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31510813/#43432085

It might be from a left wing media company but if one smidget of it is true, we will all be lucky to not have to pay a toll on the road in front of our houses in the near future. Selling public property that each one of us had to pay taxes only to pay tolls or extra fees is traitorous. Why should we be spilling American blood over in the Middle East when they are already profiting from their US property here? No one, D or R, is free from the blame if they participate in the "buy now, pay later" scandal.

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Re: America for sale

Too bad more people didn't respond to this.  I don't know what we can do as noted in the piece that the Supreme Court in IN rejected the argument of the people.

 

I think it's going to be difficult to fight because we've obligated ourselves to so much government aid and benefits.  The enormous future debt that is entitlements and pensions is going to wipe out every state budget. 

 

I think we are in deep doo doo either way, one side wants to privatize services and infrastructure and the other side wants to raise taxes, increase benefits and pensions.

 

Either way the investor and worker (non government worker) gets the raw end of the deal.

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As the farmer stated in the piece, the court was pieced together by the governor who was making the choice to privatize. Wonder if the US Supreme Court would rule differently? If not, then this country is on the short road to foreign rules (sharia included). If you think the investors that bought for .10 on the dollar public property are getting the raw end of the deal, where do you come up with that conclusion? They are exerting their will on the citizens who will pay through the nose for a lifetime or two.

Both sides of the aisle are so entrenched in their ideologies waiting for the other to blink. Easy to do when they learn that is their way to block legislation of the opponents. The obligations to pay for government benefits must be matched by equal revenue or it is not passed. It's that simple. Increased revenue should be required to pay overdue liabilities. Giving away local and state revenue instead of paying debts is ignorance at its best. Leads to bankruptcy for most people, don't it?

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Re: America for sale

Ah, if only I could just increase revenue because I overspent, how about the states cut spending?  How about they get more in line with the private sector of America in their spending?

 

Advisor

Did you see this...

.....when it was linked in a post previously?

 

How it came to what you describe and show very justifiable concern over:

 

 

http://www.newdeal20.org/2011/06/20/standstill-nation-as-the-new-abnormal-tom-ferguson-exposes-truth...

 

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Where do you see that? I said we don't need to cut government to death or we will be paying someone else for our roads, security, and power. As shown in this piece, it will end up costing the citizen even more than paying the government a fair tax bill in the present.  That is how the private sector works, find a sucker and suck the life out of him. Then you become more dependent on a smaller number of businesses in the private sector. Keeping the government's revenue and expenses equal and paying off debt with any overages is common sense.  It's called minding the store, or do you like living as a serf?

 

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Re: Did you see this...

I didn't see that link before. Explains why there is a growing number of people that do not want to be associated with either party. Nothing is gained by this club membership except for a few notables.

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Re: America for sale

Do you suppose anyone has ever considered with all of the financial turmoil that there is in so many counties and regions of the world that are up to their ears in doo-doo what use we could possibly make of the incredible natural advantages our resources and institutions have given us over the years by summarily cleaning up our accounts? And then re-establishing our leadership position. It wouldn't take a war. Just a short, general international monetary sit down strike. In short order, once the markets and tangible assets had been realistically marked....and most likely everywhere. as a result of it... real investment capital, NOT acquisition transfers of exponitiated derived capital, as these governors are trying to attract,,  would seek refuge here, like rain coming down. And most imortantly our states and municipalites really shouldn't want that money. If it's sound money held by classic investors, maybe, but I'd doubt if they'd be inteRested, with our screwed up thoroughly deregulatedhigh finance system in place. They see how that's working out in the PIGS. What would come in with those reckless sales would only be fund money, made so fragile by hyper-leveraging and painted over so with credit default swaps so thick and murky as they could actually cause us to be liable for them, through the back door. For the second time as debtors, much less as users and fee payers, after HAVING PAID FOR THEM THE FIRST TIME.

 

Accomplished either by the method that you propose...the preferable one IMO...or by some form of default or decoupling of the dollar? All it seems we are left doing now is trying to manage the carnage brought upon us by those who have some perverse sophisticated technical understanding of the system that gives them the opportunity to glean it without contributing jobs or goods that reflect what they've skimmed. Worse than watering down the milk with water...more like pi##ing in it.  And governements and elected officials that, more than not, are rewarded very well out of the cream.

 

We've been living under ever swelling corporate and financial socialism for 30 years now. The crisis is exactly that...not because people won't work, won't take risks, won't better themselves if able, won't treat each other fairly. Any failure of the people to do any of that is bred in the cynicism that comes with instinctively knowing that "the fix is in".

 

But no chance whatsoever of any of that happening. The rogues and parasties have convinced just enough of the good little people of this nation that their salvation lies with them, by appealing to their most basal instincts. Those (willing if not willful) serfs you referred to.

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Prescisely

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"If you think the investors that bought for .10 on the dollar public property are getting the raw end of the deal, where do you come up with that conclusion?"

I think you may have misunderstood me.  And perhaps we are just on different sides.  I am saying that the American worker and those that invest in America with their saving or those that invest to create new business or expand old ones are going to pay the bill.

"The obligations to pay for government benefits must be matched by equal revenue or it is not passed. It's that simple. Increased revenue should be required to pay overdue liabilities."

I disagree, those obligations were made under duress, or they were made as crookedly as those you complain about on the governors supreme court.  When the elected representatives are in the pocket of unions and welfare recipients they don't represent me.  They are just an extension of those groups and are voting themselves a permanent job and benefits for their friends at the expense of the working and investing public.  We should not have to pay for their perfidy.