Re: Time to train on Abrams.
Minimum of 3 months same on patriots missiles that will fire 2 at a time its all meant to escalate, this is just more money laundering and won't change the outcome same on planes
Zelenskey said this was a big business opportunity I take him at his word
It was also purge night in Ukraine last night after Cia chief came to town
Shocked that this would happen in Ukraine😉 but let's send more things we don't have so the oligarchs make bank.
Re: With at least, 250 Abrams tanks in Europe, and ...
... at least 80 in Poland, how long does it take to drive 24 across the border, two days at most? I can guarantee, the US Army has the spares it needs in Europe to keep these tanks running. In the worse case, they haul a broken tank back across the border and fix it there. You're making this sound more difficult than it is.
Re: "Soldiers on the ground"
To paraphrase Adm. Bull Halsey, the way to end this war is, "kill Russians, kill more Russians, keep killing Russians". The only way to end this war is either for Ukraine to surrender or they kill enough Russians such that Russians don't want to be in Ukraine. The sooner we make the Russian people not want to be in Ukraine, the sooner the Russians will leave.
Re: Just a comment on the difference between an Abrams and a T-72.
By now, we all have a chance to see how poorly the Russian reactive armor performs, it just doesn't. In contrast, the Abrams' armor consists of layers of steel, ceramic, depleted uranium & lead. There is a real question if the Russian's best armor-piercing shell can even penetrate the frontal armor of an Abrams.
Quote: Today, the Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 are believed to possess frontal armor roughly equivalent to eight hundred millimeters of Rolled Homogenous Armor. Russia’s best armor-piercing shells compatible with the 2A46M gun is the 3BM59 Svinets-1 and 3BM60 Svinets-2, made of tungsten and depleted uranium respectively. These are estimated to penetrate 650 to 750 millimeters of 60-degree sloped armor at a medium combat distance of 2 kilometers (1.24 miles).
The Russians do have a shell that can penetrate more than 800 mm but it is too long for the older Russian tanks' autoloader so it may not even be an issue.
In addition, the Abrams has an active automatic radar-activated defense system ( the Israeli Trophy system) that uses a shotgun-like system to automatically intercept incoming shells and missiles.
As I said, I won't want to be a Russian in T-72 or older T-80 tank facing an Abrams.
Three blind, mad, mice
a little thread digression....
three blind mice...
one is Team D because the fat girl next door , 50 years ago fingered him as the donor culprit, and he is still seeking absolution of sins, real and imaginary for some essential health service, right? And this Trump guy nominated God fearing Catholics to the bench....the horrors. Go Team D....Go Go GO!!!!
another hates the neighboring BTO with a passion that has never faded, cause the prom queen dumped him for an actual man of substance, and the hurt has never faded. The BTO is rich, and Republican, and the hate just grows and grows. Damn Republicans, and the high horsepower tractors they ride in on.
and finally we have the third person ( was going to say "guy" again, but don't want to assume anything) . Absolutely, totally, hates Putin,even worse than Trump because.....drum roll here......Putin says that a cow is a cow, and a bull is a bull.
Does it get much simpler than this?
Re: Three blind, mad, mice
Rickys posts with a follow up from Bruce "double speak" Cheney are completely moronic and are spoon fed narratives.
Why don't we just declare war and get it over with, take it before congress you probably have the votes ...Who's army is going to operate this new equipment?
What are the strategic interest for the United Staes again?
Re: Three blind, mad, mice
No comment I see----
Today’s media events, with the U.S. and Germany announcing they were going to send tanks — the M1 Abrams and Leopard 2 respectively — to Ukraine. But those tanks will not arrive any time soon. The Germans might be able to deliver the Leopard 2s to Kiev by the end of March, but that does not mean they are ready for the battlefield. The U.S. Army requires a prospective crew member of a tank to undergo 22 weeks of training (that is five and one-half months). Even with that training under one’s belt, the new tank crew needs at least two more months of unit training to learn how to fight with the tank in a company (there are 14 tanks in a U.S. Army company) and in a battalion (there are 3 tank companies in a battalion).There is no place in Ukraine where the tank training can be done that is beyond the reach of Russia’s missiles. That means the Ukrainian soldiers who will be trained to operate these tanks will be away from Ukraine for at least six months, if not longer. Today’s announcement means that the M1 Abrams and Leopard 2s cannot be used in combat in Ukraine before next September unless they are being staffed by trained NATO soldiers.