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Senior Contributor

Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????

 


@r3020 wrote:

 When China meets our EPA standards, labor laws, and honor our patent laws the tariffs will be lifted.


So farmers will continue to reap socialist money for the foreseeable future.  Still expect you guys will continue to gripe about handouts to less fortunate people but will gladly wait by the mailbox for yours

Senior Contributor

Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????


@r3020 wrote:

 When China meets our EPA standards, labor laws, and honor our patent laws the tariffs will be lifted.


Are you kidding? Have you already forgotten the farmers are getting socialist handouts as compensation for trumps destructive tarriffs. The Chinese won’t tolerate his attempted powe play. They now have the US bean market in free fall. Is that the same trump all the farmers voted for? That worked well. 

As for labor laws, what labor laws. Purely hypothetical. EPA  standards??the US use 25% of the worlds oil and have 5% of the world population. Huffing and puffing won’t change the Chinese. 

 

Senior Contributor

Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????

IMO tariffs should be used to protect US markets from being undercut by lower than acceptable import prices so that American companies can at least compete. I don't see Trump's meandering use of tariffs accomplishing this at all. I don't see a strategy, goal or policy for that matter. I think tariffs have a place, but Trump just sees them as a leverage chip and for what, we don't know. Perhaps one day he will reveal his grand scheme, but he has to even have a scheme first. (just a general comment to no one specifically)

Senior Advisor

Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????

No I'm not kidding. Hate kills the brain. Trumps puts America first by leveling the playing field. When the Chinese met our standards the tariffs will be lifted. Mean while manufacturing will move to this country.

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Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????

Thanks for asking me a question. You asked, "If he said that the USA in its trade with China was procuring cheap goods at the expense of the environment would you argue that  we should keep buying goods that circumvent the environmental protections enacted in the USA?"

My answer is no. I believe tariffs are not going to cause any change in China's environmental policy, and I doubt they have one except in a few circumstances where the effects hit home too hard, so they were forced to make adjustments. 

As for the other question about complete reciprocal fairness, I am not sure trade needs to be completely reciprocal. I think however we do need to work with trade partners in a way that steers trade in the best way possible, but not necessarily balanced. This however has been poorly articulated by the Trump administration, well...not the administration because no one speaks for him except him when it comes to trade. I don't like Twitter trade policy. I think it takes more. We have had meetings with China (for one) and we have no clue what these meetings have produced, if anything. We are in the dark. I agree something could be done to increase the imports of our goods to China, but frankly, I'm not sure as many of our goods are even going to be wanted in China. It's obvious that we all need to know more about the issues, including me.

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Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????

As the Evil Dr. K. has observed, thank God that Trump isn't a real progressive like some of the present crop of euro-fascists.

Tariffs are just reality TV theater, like the immigration thing. He's done a lot for corps and billionaires, little for the "working man".

Had he correctly prioritized correcting Chinese behavior he might have had some success through forming a coalition with the rest of the G7. Having isolated the US from them, China is just picking us apart, making unilateral deals with other countries.

Although.....my guess is that sometime in the not too distant future he'll sign a weak agreement and declare victory on the crisis he created. That's what he did on NAFTA, the "worst deal ever."

He also created the current border fiasco by declaring he was going to build a big beautiful wall. For people stuck in Central American Narco-dictatorships it was now or never to get out.

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Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????


@r3020 wrote:

No I'm not kidding. Hate kills the brain. Trumps puts America first by leveling the playing field. When the Chinese met our standards the tariffs will be lifted. Mean while manufacturing will move to this country.


You might need to take some Valium before reading on. 

The oxymoronic statement that tariffs produces level playing fields when the Chinese do the same in retaliation, is absurd.  Nothing changes.  Farmers have now said they want the trade, not tariffs. 

Don’t labour under the misconception the Chinese will huddle in a corner and cry. No one controls China, especially a narcissistic iratic blow hard like trump. 

I predict trumps tariff madness will be repealed the minute he is deposed.  It is absolute madness and no amount of worshipping trumps every warped thought will not equate to belting the Chinese. It might give his followers a warm inner glow but will not do a thing to bring jobs to the US. 

Has anyone seen how the debt has increased after trump declared he would reduce it?  That worked well. 

Senior Advisor

Re: “Beautiful” tariffs????

The tariffs makes China's products more expensive just like the EPA makes ours. Same with the patents. But if you want to defend China's environmental and labor polices go ahead. This is a free country you can say as you please. You and Biden want to make China great while Trump wants to make America great. A vote for Biden is a vote to help China make his family rich.