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Honored Advisor

Re: Bruce et al

Yes!  And no one forget that the official religion of communism is atheism, the state wants no god before them.  Sound familiar?

There`s your god, why would you want anything else?

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Senior Contributor

Re: Bruce et al

Settlers were attacked and they defended themselves.

3020 you should look up the history of western 'civilization' interacting with the natives of the Americas and then you might understand why in a few instances the natives fought back and attacked the people who were taking their land and killing them.

The list is long of the attacks by settlers and their armies massacring natives. Whole settlements of natives were killed men, women AND children.

There were many millions of natives in the Americas before Europeans moved in and decimated them.

As I said look up the history and be sure to note where the religious leaders were at the forefront to kill or force those heathen 'redskins' to give up their beliefs and fall in line with 'good' christian beliefs.

That is what following facts and evidence will show instead of just believing the old stories told by religious believers.

Senior Contributor

Re: Bruce et al

Native Americans killed native Americans.  We've traveled a bit around the USA and there is consistent evidence of their own self destruction.  They engaged in slavery and war just as Europeans, Africans and Asians.  Most of the native population died from disease brought to the America's from Europe.  The estimated populations when given at times is ridiculous as their method of survival would not have sustained populations in the hundreds of millions. 

When it comes to Christianity one has to point out that Christianity is responsible for ending slavery, it's responsible for welfare and the concepts of carrying for the poor.  It's Christianity that says not to steal, not to do murder, to honor family and not to be jealous of others.  

The world is far and away better with Christianity than without.  To pick a time when it was perverted is disingenuous.  Christianity has at it's roots the commandment love your neighbor as yourself, meaning do as much for him/her as you would do for yourself.  Christianity doesn't demand you kill non-believers or tax them, it does say love your enemies.  When you pervert the Bible it's you or those who do that are the problem, not Christianity.

Remember that verse regarding love you neighbor is follow by the statement that there is NO commandment greater.  

Senior Contributor

Re: Bruce et al

You want to think and believe christianity was responsible for ending slavery rather than admit christianity says slavery is OK.

It was thinking people who realized that religion was wrong and some humans should not own other humans.

Don't cherry pick, admit the truth that the 'good book' says slavery is Ok as long as you do not beat your slave so bad that they die in a couple days.

It is perverted to try to claim that religion says anything other than approval of slavery. That is NOT perverting the bible but those who claim it doesn't approve of slavery IS perverting it. Admit the truth, quit trying to claim something that christianity does not say.

It is thinking humans who understand slavery is wrong, NOT the bible.

Senior Advisor

Re: Bruce et al

The settlers moved west. It was inevitable. The Indians didn't want them there. They tried to kill the white man. The white man fought back. They didn't fight because of religion they fought because of land. It is atheist who fight because of religion because they just believe there is nothing better than themselves. You have to worship them and their government. They tell you what you can and can not do. Atheist killed 100s of millions in the 19th and 20th centuries. There is nothing more dangerous than atheist because of their intolerance of any other thought.

Senior Contributor

Re: Bruce et al

You should study history and not rely on beliefs 3020.

Do some research and you will find that the settlers moved into some areas after the natives were almost wiped out by disease. Disease that the settlers believed their god had sent to clear the land for those who just believed in it.

Now those who later moved west 'believed' that the natives were expendable and they forced them to vacate the good land and move on into other native territory or to try to exist in areas that would not sustain them. All this with the blessing of church leaders in many cases who 'just believed' that anyone who did not accept their 'beliefs' was not fit to live. that is why the settlers moving into areas where disease had wiped out natives believed' their god had killed them off to make room for those who did believe in it.

 

BTW atheism is just the position that there is no evidence of any magic being existing. Nothing more than that. No organization trying to control others with old stories about magic beings.

Honored Advisor

Re: Bruce et al

If there were no Christians, there would still be slavery.  Look at places in the world where slavery and cannibalism are STILL practiced, those places are NOT ran by Christians.

Yes, the Bible allows for slaves to be kept, but like I`ve explained dozens of times, slaves are the spoils of war, the women, children, elderly and wounded after a war would starve if the winners didn`t take them in (crops, cities burned to the ground).  Then also, the losers are responsible for killing the winner`s soldiers in battle, therefore work is required to pay that bill.  

But dragging Negroes in from Africa, buying them in Africa from other Negroes was damned stupid and NOT Biblical!  Look at the mess we have now because of it!   First of all we were not at war with Africa, second of all, slaves are supposed to be set free after 7 years.   None of those requirements were met.

Senior Advisor

Re: Bruce et al

Christians build hospitals and schools. Atheist build armies and conquer. Atheist best way of killing is through starvation.

Senior Contributor

Re: Bruce et al

You need to reread that good book BA.

I have told you before that it approves slavery beyond wars, even approves keeping women from wars for sex slaves.

Says you can buy and sell them and beat them as long as they do not die in a few days.

Why would you need to own them to help them as you would like to believe. Stick to reality and you will recognize slavery just as your country knew slavery until people realized that the bible was not a good reference for how to think about owning other humans.

You would like to make slavery in the bible a good thing but it was no different from slavery indoor country and that seems to be a hard thing for your country to get over as so many think anyone with a dark skin should not have any rights.

Racism is obvious when your previous President is referred to as a 'black man' and his genes are 50 % white

Senior Contributor

Re: Bruce et al

Keep believing 3020.  Don't let reality get in the way.