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gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: so 3020

 

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: so 3020


@Canuck_2 wrote:

Is it Ok for one religion to get their religious studies paid for by government $ but not others?

 

I stated my wish, that none get any funding beyond the tax free funding they get for their meeting halls.

That is a lot more than the Lions or the Kiwanis get


What does that have to do with free speech? Catholic schools get funding as long as they submit to the state. It is no longer a Catholic school, it is a state controled school.

Canuck_2
Senior Contributor

Re: so 3020

State school! That is allowed to teach their religion with givernment funding.

If the Mennoites wish to teach their religion they pay taxes to help support the Catholic schools then pay all the school expenses ot of what they have left AND they still have to meet the government set curiculum like all privates schools and home schoolers.

 

Privileges not given to others.

You did read the letter to prospect student teachers on what is required to be hired by the Catholic system I hope.

 

Freedom of speech or any other freedom should never come at the expense of other citizens freedom.

 

Let them teach their religion in their tax free meeting halls called churches.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: so 3020


@Canuck_2 wrote:

State school! That is allowed to teach their religion with givernment funding.

If the Mennoites wish to teach their religion they pay taxes to help support the Catholic schools then pay all the school expenses ot of what they have left AND they still have to meet the government set curiculum like all privates schools and home schoolers.

 

Privileges not given to others.

You did read the letter to prospect student teachers on what is required to be hired by the Catholic system I hope.

 

Freedom of speech or any other freedom should never come at the expense of other citizens freedom.

 

Let them teach their religion in their tax free meeting halls called churches.


Your government is even more discriminatory than I could have imagined. But yes, the Catholic schools are becoming state school because they can no longer teacher their beliefs but must teach what the state dictates.

Jim B. in Iowa
Senior Contributor

Re: Canadian assult on free speech


@Canuck_2 wrote:

But if a poor religious families wish to send their children to a school that teaches their beliefs are unable to do so because the government takes their money to teach the state's beliefs.

 

The public system is not allowed to teach 'beliefs'.

They stick to facts.

 

If you are a poor religious family you can get the facts taught to you in the public system and then go to church and get 'beliefs' taught to you.

And if the church will not do it for free then why should tax dollars pay for it?


 

 

 

Teaching just the 'facts' doesn't happen here and I doubt it happens there either.  In fact, I'll wager less than half the time in school is used to teach 'facts'. 

Canuck_2
Senior Contributor

Re: Canadian assult on free speech

Teaching just the 'facts' doesn't happen here and I doubt it happens there either.  In fact, I'll wager less than half the time in school is used to teach 'facts'. 

 

You could be right BUT the Catholic system uses tax $$ to fund their system and teaches their religous ideas.

Other religions are not allowed tax $ to teach their 'beliefs'.

Public system does not teach any ones religious ideas.

 

Canuck_2
Senior Contributor

Re: so 3020

Your government is even more discriminatory than I could have imagined. But yes, the Catholic schools are becoming state school because they can no longer teacher their beliefs but must teach what the state dictates.

 

Discriminatory against all but the Catholic religion which it helps to fund.

 

Don't you think if they get funded from tax dollars they should toe the line to what the government wants?

 

If they do not like that then they should fund their own schools like the Jews or "Christians" do.

 

I hope you realize that even private schools are required to teach to a certain curriculum as are home schooled pupils.

Private schools can add to that or teach in different manners but they do have to meet certain guidelines.

 

Go back to the original article I linked to and read the comments and you will see that many claim there that the Catholic system (and I think other private schools) discourage students with special needs from enrolling and the public system has to teach these students since they do not discriminate.

 

Go way back in Canadian history and you will find the reason why the Catholic religion is funded BUT it is time for a change, way past time!!!

gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: so 3020

You keep swirling around the points given by Canuck.  Your problem is , you are so wound up in the lies of religion you will not entertain any other theory.  In this country, the government sets the school agenda which is of course taught by teachers who keep their religion to themselves.  Each week, the school  hosts a 40 minute session on religion which students can attend if they choose.  The lessons are given by people of mainstream religion and what they do with it is their business.  It is not forced upon them by the state or their parents the government merely offer their school as a teaching place.  The problem being, sex, drugs and rock and roll are getting more attention nowdays and the god thing is thrown out the window, as it should be.

 

It is only in countries like yours and the Muslim countries which force it on their citizens because the governments use it as a tool to frighten the sheep every so often.

 

Have you noticed their was no mention of god in the 3 debates.  It is now irrelevant to the thinking citizens and left to the evangelist following eggheads who get their weekly dose of billious hypocracy every Sunday.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: so 3020


@Canuck_2 wrote:

Your government is even more discriminatory than I could have imagined. But yes, the Catholic schools are becoming state school because they can no longer teacher their beliefs but must teach what the state dictates.

 

Discriminatory against all but the Catholic religion which it helps to fund.

 

Don't you think if they get funded from tax dollars they should toe the line to what the government wants?

 

 


No. Because the tax dollars belong to the people that fund the schools. They should be able to spend them on any school of their choosing. No one should have to toe the line of the state. The state should have to toe the line of the people.

gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: so 3020

I don't know what tiny world you live in but it sure isn't reality.  If a governmnt funds a school it should have the first preference as to what is taught in that school, no questions asked. That is one of the good features of socialism.  If you don't like it, it is OK by me to take your child to another school but do not lean on the taxpayer for one cent of that schools costs.  If you want religion taught to your child, you pay for the lies, not the atheist taxpayers.