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r3020
Senior Advisor

Canadian free health care

What good is a free vaccine when there is no vaccine?

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sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: Canadian free health care

One of the basic criticisms of socialism is that without supply and demand signals a central planning bureaucracy can never know what is needed and in what quantity.  

The should have looked ahead just a bit, swallowed their pride and asked trump a month ago.  He would have made a loud announcement about it and probably gave it to them.

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Canadian free health care

if you are depending on the learned and dependable Stalinism analogy I’d go with the authoritarianism thingee over the socialist one.

sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: Canadian free health care

International fascism is your game bruce

k-289
Senior Advisor

Re: Canadian free health care

IN  the  US , ALL  the WHILE   MEDICARE  gets   bashed,   the  line  for  it's  participants  grows , including  occupants  at the  Public Hospitals  - no socialism there   -   -  -  

madeleinecornis
Contributor

Re: Canadian free health care

Socialism is a little different. If you're talking about medicine and its scope, what does socialism have to do with it? Where was the bureaucracy and democracy that everyone is fighting for. Socialism is about charging everyone as much as they can give. This is not seen anywhere in strong countries. Because people pay a lot of taxes and insurance in https://www.airambulance1.com/, and no one will say "socialism will allow you to pay less insurance than your neighbor because you're poor. This doesn't apply to those who get government assistance, I'm talking about ordinary people who have been working for decades.

alison2f0krees
Contributor

Re: Canadian free health care

Free health care is only used by people who don't have the money to go to private clinics. If the government invested enough money in free clinics, private clinics would not open. I think that government should reduce the taxes we pay on health insurance. Once I bought my lenses here http://coleyes.com, and then I couldn't get them. I had to wait in a long line to go to the eye doctor. I spent about 5 hours waiting. And for that, I have been paying money to the government all my life?

Canuck_2
Senior Contributor

Re: Canadian free health care

Check the stats 3020

Canada is over 60% vaccinated with at least one shot

US is around 50%

sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: Canadian free health care


@Canuck_2 wrote:

Check the stats 3020

Canada is over 60% vaccinated with at least one shot

US is around 50%


Ohio is 40% with 2 doses, 48 with 1.

Canada is I think 5% with 2 doses.

Couldn't tell you what difference it makes.  

Canuck_2
Senior Contributor

Re: Canadian free health care

1st does has good efficacy after 3-4 weeks

2nd dose extends the length of time the immunity will work.

Canada well over 60% with at least 1 dose now.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-first-dose-protection-canada-1.6009822

"People are thinking about vaccination right now that you have a cup that you're filling half full with the first dose, and you're getting it full with the second — but that's not how immunity works," said Dr. Sumon Chakrabarti, an infectious disease specialist at Trillium Health Partners in Mississauga, Ont.

"At four weeks and beyond you're probably still mounting immunity and the second dose … takes your existing immunity and it kind of fortifies it."

Alyson Kelvin, an assistant professor at Dalhousie University and virologist at the Canadian Center for Vaccinology and the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization in Saskatoon, likens that immune boost from the second shot to "restudying" for a test you might have coming up.

"It's cementing the information into your memory and that's what we need the boost for — to make sure that we have that long lasting response and antibodies that will protect us," she said. "But we need to go back for the boost to make sure that that is retained for longer periods of time."

While we still don't know how long that initial immune response lasts, Kelvin said we can extrapolate from previous vaccine studies that the second dose is generally more effective the longer you wait between shots. 

"This is not the first vaccine that we obviously have that's multiple doses," said Chakrabarti. "With the Hepatitis A vaccine you can often give the second dose anywhere from six to 36 months later."