Cause of death

[sam1wiseone]

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@jennys_mn wrote:

How about you show these “babies” as the were aborted - a grouping of cells - looking NOTHING like the “unwanted” children you are showing.   You like to make things all “wonderful” and “beautiful”.    Being an unwanted child is neither.   It’s a drag on your entire life - always there - a pain that you learn to live with - or you don’t.....

It’s not the beautiful life you try to show it as.

Jen

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Jen, all the things you brag about everyday.  All the gardening you obviously enjoy doing, your house, your job, your motor home, the birds at your feeder.  You never would have known any of that, had you been killed before you were born.   The proof that it was worth being alive is in the fact the you could have choose to end it at anytime.

But you didn't.

All those things you had the chance of enjoying, quite a few children didn't.

[jennys_mn]

You know what - I had much more written - I deleted it.   Unless you’ve been in my situation, you can’t begin to understand.   My life now, does not take away the pain of my early years.   No one cared - neither did I.   By all rights, my life should’ve ended, when I had a noose around my neck standing on a pail in my manure room when my farm failed.   I managed to talk myself down from that - and have NEVER spoken about it.

My success now,  has NEVER taken away the hurt of my early life.   And it never will.   Like my heart disease, it is something that I have learned to live with - and always wish I didn’t have to.    The closest thing I can relate it to, is witnessing something like the brutality of war, or seeming someone take their last breath in a car accident, or something similar.   Those images are there - seeded in your brain - and - for most people - they don’t go away.   That’s my childhood.   And you will never, ever understand, because you simply can’t.

Jen

[sam1wiseone]

No one can and everyone can.

You got the chance.

[rickgthf]

  To force a woman to gestate an unwanted foetus is a form of involuntary servitude, in other words, slavery, that no male will ever be obligated to do, just because she's a woman.  Slavery, in this country, in any form, with the exception prison, was abolished by the 13th Amendment.  Not only that but to say that women can be enslaved this way but not men is the highest form of male chauvinism and misogyny and denies women the equal protection afforded by the 14th Amendment.  It is simply, unConstitutional in every way.

  As a male, I have no moral authority to demand or insist that women be enslaved and the state certainly has no legal authority to do so either. 

  So, speaking as a true conservative, the best course of action is for all men and the State to leave that decision entirely up to the individual woman involve, just keep right out of it.

[jennys_mn]

Thank you Rick - and you are so right.

Jen

[sam1wiseone]

According to your logic Rick abortion is fine up to the moment of birth.

And absolutely no reason that children that are still alive during the abortion process should not receive life saving procedures.

And you could not hold a parent responsible for any neglect.  Leave a baby in a crib and walk away for a month.   You're not the child's slave.

And according to your logic it's slavery for society to keep a disabled indigent person alive.   You're forcing someone to pay for that care.  

In the case of rape, you might have a valid point.    Otherwise no.

And you still have the basic problem that our society is based on the enlightenment idea that all people have the inherent right to be alive.   If a child doesn't have that right then neither do you.

[sam1wiseone]

And of course Rick, then court ordered child support is slavery.

[rickgthf]

And you just had to bring up "child support", didn't you?  Because you realize, of course, that your complaint against child support completely undercuts your anti-abortion position.  If you believe the State has the right to enslave a woman to bear the child then the State certainly has the right to enslave the man to support it.

[sam1wiseone]

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@rickgthf wrote:

And you just had to bring up "child support", didn't you?  Because you realize, of course, that your complaint against child support completely undercuts your anti-abortion position.  If you believe the State has the right to enslave a woman to bear the child then the State certainly has the right to enslave the man to support it.

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I've never said court ordered child support was unethical.

[IH3719492]

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@sam1wiseone wrote:

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@rickgthf wrote:

And you just had to bring up "child support", didn't you?  Because you realize, of course, that your complaint against child support completely undercuts your anti-abortion position.  If you believe the State has the right to enslave a woman to bear the child then the State certainly has the right to enslave the man to support it.

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I've never said court ordered child support was unethical.

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😂😂😂

Looked like he just claimed you under cut yourself, while simultaneously agreeing with you...     yet, I doubt that's the dumbest thing he'll type here today.   Amazing, isn't it?