According to my logic,

[rickgthf]

According to my logic, all I'm saying is I don't have any say in the matter. 

 I also believe the Supreme Court got it about right when they limited abortion rights up to the point of viability outside the womb,  and I don't mean with extraordinary measures, either.  And in the case of a severely compromised defective foetus, I think we should leave that decision up to the woman, after all, somebody has to make that decision, let it be her rather than some "*****" male government official who hasn't got anything at stake.

  As for your baby in the crib, of course, it's neglect, any parent can surrender a child any time they choose.  There's no slavery required.

  And as far as paying for the care of the indigent sick, of course, it's slavery, just like paying your taxes to support the defence, police protection, road building or any other social good, you don't get to pick and choose the social good, we do it through representative government.

[sam1wiseone]

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@rickgthf wrote:

According to my logic, all I'm saying is I don't have any say in the matter. 

Court enforced child support says that you do have a say in the matter.  The government, your agent, enforces the support.

 I also believe the Supreme Court got it about right when they limited abortion rights up to the point of viability outside the womb,  and I don't mean with extraordinary measures, either.  And in the case of a severely compromised defective foetus, I think we should leave that decision up to the woman, after all, somebody has to make that decision, let it be her rather than some "*****" male government official who hasn't got anything at stake.

If it's slavery there is no time constraint.  It not legal or ethical to enslave a person for even a moment.  Hence if not allowing abortion is slavery then banning abortion at anytime for any reason would still be slavery.  Up to the moment of birth.

  As for your baby in the crib, of course, it's neglect, any parent can surrender a child any time they choose.  There's no slavery required.

See above.  If you can reject the logical responsibilities of your own actions because otherwise you are enslaved by them then you certainly can just walk away from them at anytime.

  And as far as paying for the care of the indigent sick, of course, it's slavery, just like paying your taxes to support the defence, police protection, road building or any other social good, you don't get to pick and choose the social good

You just destroyed your own argument.

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[sam1wiseone]

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@rickgthf wrote:

And you just had to bring up "child support", didn't you?  Because you realize, of course, that your complaint against child support completely undercuts your anti-abortion position.  If you believe the State has the right to enslave a woman to bear the child then the State certainly has the right to enslave the man to support it.

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I've never said court ordered child support was unethical.

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😂😂😂

Looked like he just claimed you under cut yourself, while simultaneously agreeing with you...     yet, I doubt that's the dumbest thing he'll type here today.   Amazing, isn't it?

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[rickgthf]

Sam, "Then court-ordered child support is slavery." is clearly a declarative sentence, so yes you did.

Sam, you don't get points for repeating the comments.

[sam1wiseone]

No understand the argument.

If not allowing an abortion is slavery. Then also is court ordered support.

I do not believe not allowing abortion is slavery, nor do I believe court ordered support is slavery.

For you thoughts to be consistent you must believe both are slavery.

I dont believe that you believe that.  I believe you created an irrational mythology to make something reprehensible, the taking of an innocent human life, acceptable.

[rickgthf]

Well, I believe that you willfully refuse to understand simple English and logic so we're even.

[r3020]

One thing we can all agree on Trickydicky is abortion kills something and that something is human.

[jennys_mn]

Still better than bringing another unwanted child into this world.   The abortion cat is out of the bag.   Few women in this country, will abide by a court mandated “no abortion” law.   One way or the other, the grouping of cells growing in a woman’s uterus that is unwanted, “will” be removed.   All your doing, by taking away “safe” abortions, is putting the women of this country in more jeopardy, mentally and physically. 

And, if the child is born, adding another human to the world, with the knowledge that they were “unwanted” and “unloved”.    And save me your little “Oh, I grew up in the perfect family where I was loved!”  bullish-t.   An unwanted pregnancy brought full term, doesn’t always have a “happy ending”.

Jen

[r3020]

You were given the choice of whether you are to live or die. Everyone else deserves the same choice.

[Edmund55]

If you are pronounced dead when your heart stops....

Why are you not pronounced alive when your heart starts?