Well, I believe that ...

[Canuck_2]

When do you assume a heart starts?

[Edmund55]

(When do you assume a heart starts?)

The science thingy.

[Canuck_2]

So the 'science thingy' says there is not development of heart muscle until 20 weeks of gestation.

This from recent investigations.

Previous guesses were based on other mammals like pigs but the latest research shows human hearts do not develop as quickly.

[Edmund55]

(So the 'science thingy' says there is not development of heart muscle until 20 weeks of gestation.)

I'm not going by your bruce jenner is a girl scientist - heartbeat detected at 5-6 weeks and as young as 3-4 weeks.

[sam1wiseone]

So if a person's heart stops then they are revived, for a period there they were not a human life.  Curious, I wonder what they were, clump of disposable cells I guess? 

[r3020]

Is that the same research that proclaims humans can be non binary?

[Canuck_2]

So this signal that is 'detected' so early must come from something other than a heart since there is no heart muscle at that time.

[r3020]

Just your belief.

[Canuck_2]

No 3020 not a belief, based on science and the study of embryos which recently found that human embryos do not form heart muscle until later.

So is this signal people claim has been 'detected' a belief ?

Can't be a heart since there is no muscle there.

[sdholloway56]

I’d be ok with no elective abortions after 20 weeks, or a bit less.

But that’s not anywhere close to the point for the most radical opponents.

BTW, back before Roe v. Wade there were many, many clinical abortions- you just had to have the means and connections to find a doctor (the Trusted family one, in some cases) willing to perform a “D&C.”*

I imagine we’re socialist enough now that a 20 week ban would be fairly universal.

But you’d still have a few women seeking them. Collateral damage, I guess.

*nothing to be proud of that in the years following R v. W, abortions were virtually a backup contraception form. We’ve since gotten them down to probably about the rate of before. And we could do better, with better education, access to contraception and programs that make parenthood less burdensome.