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Senior Contributor

Re: Conspiracy Theories

Ok, so "some" of my off the cuff questions may not have been valid. What about the others. Now you are claiming the cell phone calls never happened and even families of the dead are making up conversations with people aboard the planes. If you truly question what happened, you will question everything, not just some things. You will also seek the truth about all of it. So, were the blueprints online? Did anyone go and examine them or request copies if they were guarded a little better? Who? When? So construction crews were coming and going every day. Who were they? What are the employee names? Who did they work for? Were there any that are not accounted for that are known?


As for the pilots, we know who was aboard every plane. So from all those passengers, did any others receive flight training? Do we know the background of all passengers? Has anyone looked into that? You claim that the terrorists did not fly the planes because they were not trained enough. So, someone flew them. Who? We know a lot about all the passengers. Should not someone, if they truly believe in a conspiracy, be checking who could have flown the plane and checking the passenger list for who could have done it. There have to be at minimum three. Are you claiming the planes had drone systems installed? Are you bringing mechanics into this theory as well? The list keeps growing of the number that would have to be involved.


Like I said earlier. I want you guys to all have a voice, but your theories have to hold water and not ignore any evidence. You can't pick and choose what to look at and use as evidence. Everything is evidence that can be tracked or proven. If something disabled NORAD, then was it disabled or wasn't it? Did it go of line?


I think you need to ask a LOT more questions. I don't mind getting at the truth, but it has to include more than what is convenient and what pieces fit well in the puzzle. It has to be inclusive, not just supposition and it has to explain even the difficult questions beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Re: Who is "we"

While such things are possible, it still has to be explained to make any conspiracy a valid theory. How many far less involved "black operations" have been exposed. I bet you can name a dozen. You have to be able to explain how this could work for it to be plausable. I'm all ears. I have offered questios and if you will read on, now we potentially have families lying about cell phone calls from their loved ones on the Pennsylvania flight to mechanics installing drone systems to pilot the planes. Yeah, mechanics install drone controls on commercial planes all the time and they are too stupid to know what they are installing.

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Re: Cui Bono

Knox, That was a reply to Johnaa's question. I am by no means putting words in your mouth because you are not linked to my reply in any way. and you never said any of these things. I did however answer John's question.

Re: Who is "we"

It is indeed troubling to contemplate.


For mere speculation I'd suggest that the best way to do it would be for the nuts and bolts dirty work to be done by a foreign power which would leave the only domestic action required to be for people at higher levels in the US government to clear the way, kill questions, cover up. Relatively few people would need to be involved.


You'd as few domestic people as possible in the loop and those that you did have would be highly compartmentalized.



Re: Conspiracy Theories

Some good questions but they raise some other good ones.


The passenger manifests do not show any Arab passengers, which doesn't prove anything, just interesting. I guess maybe they were all John Smiths.


One of the interesting comments from many of the Pilots for 911 Truth is that the pilots were mostly military trained veterans and they have a very hard time imagining that on all four planes some skinny kids with box cutters could have taken control from them without a titanic struggle, alleast.


0 for 4 for any even hitting the one button to indicate hijack to the tower. Pretty strange although you can interpret that any way you want to.


As you say, someone or somehting piloted those planes but 100% of the piots say that a guy who couldn't land a Cessna could have done the maneuver that put a plane into the Pentagon.


Lots of questions.

Senior Advisor

Re: Conspiracy Theories

Nox, the funnist part of all of this is you believe some one, or some group could bring down 1,2,and 7 World Trade Center, keep it secret, yet you scoff at the idea that Barack Obama could produce a one page birth certificate.

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Re: Conspiracy Theories

I can only think of three possibilities:


1. The terrorists flew the planes.

2. A passenger flew the planes.

3. The pilots flew the planes.


You seem to feel #1 should be ruled out. That leaves 2 & 3.


How is it not possible these terrorists recieved training we know nothing about and were indeed instructed by someone who knows what they were doing. Maybe the small plane lessons were just refresher courses after they recieved training in commercial jet flight elsewhere?



Re: Conspiracy Theories

  Your questions are still silly and show that you have read very little about it.  You wrote one very true thing a while back--"I don't know" and You don't know how much you don't know, for instance,You even questioned the existance of the Trilateral Commission which has been around for nearly 40 years . "Do these folks still say there is a Tri-Lateral Commission? Maybe them. Lord, I don't know."  


  Here is the Trilateral Commision's site--  here is some information about the trilateral commision--The Trilateral Commission is a private organization, established to foster closer cooperation among the United StatesEurope and Japan. It was founded in July 1973 at the initiative of David Rockefeller, who was Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations at that time. The Trilateral Commission is widely seen as an off-shoot of the Council on Foreign Relations.[1] 


snip--Funding for the group came from David Rockefeller, the Charles F. Kettering Foundation, and the Ford Foundation.

Speaking at the Chase Manhattan International Financial Forums in London, Brussels, Montreal, and Paris, Rockefeller proposed the creation of an International Commission of Peace and Prosperity in early 1972 (which would later become the Trilateral Commission). At the 1972 Bilderberg meeting, the idea was widely accepted, but elsewhere, it got a cold reception. According to Rockefeller, the organization could "be of help to government by providing measured judgment."

Zbigniew Brzezinski,[2] a professor at Columbia University and a Rockefeller advisor who was a specialist on international affairs, left his post to organize the group along with:

Other founding members included Alan Greenspan and Paul Volcker, both eventually heads of the Federal Reserve system.


You need to be rational

   You wrote- "You have to be able to explain how this could work for it to be plausible."  I'm not following that, what is it I have to explain?   Questions are not facts and prove nothing, unless you have the answers yourself.   But you are operating from ignorance, there was a lot of information about the training the "terrorists" had, information from their instructors, did you forget it or did you not read it in the first place?   


  Modern aircraft can fly themselves, it's commonly called autopilot, computer controlled, today's systems are very sophisticated.  Reliable remote control of aircraft has been around for over 30 years, before today's more modern computers existed.   They were working on technology to take over control of airliners in the event they were hijacked years ago.   


  Bottom line is there are very valid questions that need to be answered, why do you get so emotionally worked up when people want to investigate?   I think you are want to believe government is like your parents, always faithful and looking out for you and feel threatened by the idea it isn't.

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Re: You need to be rational

"why do you get so emotionally worked up when people want to investigate?"


LOL, John....point out if you please anything I have written that you would consider emotional!


Because we disagree, you pull the emotion card. That's silly.


Most everything else you asked of me has been posted elsewhere in this thread. Autopilot was not discussed and I know that exists, but autopilot will not turn a plane into a tower or dive it down into the Pentagon.


I am happy for the conspiracy proponents to be heard. They should be heard.