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Veteran Advisor

Re: Cure a lot of our problems by nationalizing

it really is just a matter of time....once property owners no longer control elections, the masses eventually take the property. Those founding fathers...only letting property owners vote...the very nerve!

 

Yes, government should be allowed to do so much more....set the price of food at a low price, set gasoline back to $1 a gallon, make the minimum wage about $50 per hour, with full benefits. Only imagination limits what government can do.

 

Dreams are for those that sleep.

 

I hope the country comes to its senses way before we become another failed state.

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Re: Cure a lot of our problems by nationalizing

Yet there are many that think that is the way to go. Our president for one

 

Really a grandiose statement, IH! NOW PROVE IT.

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Re: Cure a lot of our problems by nationalizing

This entire thread is a joke based on it's bogus origins, but as for what you just said about property owners voting, I have no idea of the background of your family's roots or your property but consider for a second if you would (maybe you've got all of the old deeds and possibly even Homestead Act documents filed away somewhere) just how much property you might own if what you suggest had been the law all along. That ONLY property owners would have been able to vote from 1789 on.

 

I doubt that the govt. by property owners would have ever repealled slavery, but rather expanded it. Would never have passed The Homestead Act. Rural electrification in the form that made it essentially affordable for everyone?

 

Not sure you'd like living as a serf in one great big company store. And it's most likely at first sign of pannic that bunch would have sold the whole kit and kaboodle off to European old money. There wouldn''t have been a mass of growth creating little people that they could have depended on to vote in a set of lawmakers that would have granted them a bailout.

 

 

Re: Cure a lot of our problems by nationalizing

What are you, some sort of socialist?

 

Everyone knows that it is in the national interest to turn those things over to Goldman Sachs, BP et al.

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Re: Cure a lot of our problems by nationalizing

Congress can not raise the the liability cap to $10 billion as that could cause BP to go belly up.  I'm guessing we will be told BP is to big to fail as they are a vital part of energy system.

Re: Cure a lot of our problems by nationalizing

They made $10 billion profit in the 2nd quarter of 2008. Granted they onlymade half that Q2 2009 but they can afford it.

 

Making an example of them is purely secondary and not the purpose of justice- justice is that they make everything as right as they can.

 

I know that Millie's catholic corporatists on the SC believe that corporations are precious national institutions that needn't compensate victims of there malfeasances (only penalizing poor retired folk who own them) but the basic priciples of anglo saxon law beg to differ.

 

And by the way, the SC says that corps enjoy the full benefits of personhood in the Citizens United case, right?

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The various "breeds" of righties are really conflicted on this matter. Cries for the President to "take over" and for the Federal govt. to take charge in the cleanup fly in the face of libertarian Republicanism, the thought that BPs stock and overall commpany value might be eroded has the Chamber of Commerce gang all stired up,

 

And, most noticably and easiest for people to uderstand where it's coming from (See: Craig's twice offered Hitler quote) the President's various, often seemingly emotionless statements have the pure and simple "how the heck did this n####r ever get into "our" Whitehouse?" gang on fire.

 

This is the stuff that wars are made of.  After hundreds of thousands of people, millions possibly if it affects Florida as much as some are saying it possibly could, have had their lives completely turned upside down...many possibly requiring total relocation... and BP has taken their cue from Exxon-Mobil and drug every last claim through the courst it will be intersting to see if those same Jstices that reduced Exxons obligations by 95% and claimed that the rights of any corporation are the same as any one person...and this is not a U.S. corporation...that could complicate it even more...the transactions of the money might be sealed up by U.K. banks and courts. 

 

We've beat the bastards good twice before, and helped to save their hide a few times since.

 

Maybe Canada, with it's sound banks and reasonable foreign policy might want to merge forces. That would probably break teh Bank of London. All sorts of stuff is going to have to merge if fiscal policy calls for ever increasing contraction.

 

nox.....("ever increasing contraction".......is that an oxymoron?

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Re: Cure a lot of our problems by nationalizing

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Right, except why should there be a cap

Why a cap?  There is no cap on the damage that is being done. 

It's time to seize the assets of BP.  They cannot be allowed to set the stage in an American court, if President Obama orders their assets seized then it is BP going to court to get their money rather than America going to court to get their money for damages.  After all the damage is repaired plus a significant penalty then BP can have what's left.