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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

Face it, people are living longer and than is what really burns your butt.  Down deep you and the rest of the ultra rightwingers on here would like for way to make all the seniors disappear before they start drawing too much of what you consider to be your rightful inheritance.

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

What are you talking about?

I simply posted a chart, so people could see where the money is going.

 

What alarms me, is that the spending on ALL the items I listed have amost doubled in the last 10 years.  That would imply something around a 6% growth in spending (not allowing for Welfare, which REALLY spiked when the recession hit).

Now, with an annual growth rate of the country's GDP being somewhere between 1% & 2%, WHY, oh WHY are we growing spending at 6%.

 

Here, I'll try to explain it in simple terms so that it is easy to understand.

 

Growth - 2% (and I'm being generous)

spending increase 6%

 

that is UN-SUSTAINABLE.  If you increase your income at a rate of 2% per year, and increase your spending at 6% per year, you will eventually run out of money, no matter who you are. 

Your costs (spending) will double every 10-12 years, but your income will double every 30 years.  That just can't happen long-term.  Is it better to try and do something now, or wait until the whole thing comes crashing down?

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

Health care and pensions increases are primarily because people live longer and usually health care increases and of course, they draw more pension money.  Admit it and be a man.

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

Not to mention, the Boomer generation is starting to retire, so yes, they will draw more.

 

The whole part of some wanting the elderly to die quickly has just got me scratching my head.


I want the retired to live as long as possible.  If you want to start talking about taking care of people, can you explain to me why people are on death row for years and years, who are being fed, sheltered, and clothed better than many retirees that the left seems to be so concerned about.   Why does the left want to spend money we don't have on people like this, while WWII vets have to fill out several different forms, while having an asthma attack, before they can get oxygen?

 

When Sherriff Joe set up his 'tent prison' and cut the spending per prisoner to a fraction of what other prisons pay, why was the left so up in arms about the treatment of those poor felons, rather applauding the money saved, which could be spent on the truly needy and elderly?

 

If I were the type who jumped to conclusions without any proof (you know the type) I could say that the left cares more about gang-bangers, serial rapists, and murderers, than they do the sick and elderly.

 

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

Remember Bart doesn't care about this. He just talks a big game.

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt


@Nebrfarmr wrote:

 

If I were the type who jumped to conclusions without any proof (you know the type) I could say that the left cares more about gang-bangers, serial rapists, and murderers, than they do the sick and elderly.

 


That is why the Left keeps pushing, nay, forcing socialized medicine.  They will run the medical profession into the ground and end up killing the elderly off faster than by any other means.

 

 


 

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

Of course you would figure that way.The sheriff doesn't handle murderers and rapist.  The more serious crimes are dealt with in the prisons around AZ.  Why does someone who committed a somewhat minor crime have to be treated like a dog?  I don't think I agree with tvs in every room in prison or some of the other perks some prisons provide but at the same time we don't need to treat them like dogs.  Many, if not most, get out after their time and go on with their lives.  Few return as 2nd offenders.  Who is that is always talking about reducing the debt thru reduced benefits or out right removal of the sick, disabled and elderly from Medicade, Medicare and SS?  It isn't the Democrats I can assure you.  The gop are the ones wanting to balance the budget and reduce the debt by cutting these things down or eliminating them altogether.  I think our laws include NO cruel and unusual punishment.  Try sitting outside in a tent in the weather we are having right now.  joe made the news the other day by giving each prisoner a popsickle.  BIG WHOOP!!!  It was only 115 that day and has not had a high of less than 110 for about 10-12 days.  Still over 90 at midnight!  No one is deprived of a life threatening incident to fill out papers anywhere.  Quit lieing about those things.  My cousin, a dentist in Illinois thought he was going to have a heart attack.  They go to the Dr in St Louis because it is close.  When they got to the ER, they were directed to the Admin folks to make sure he had insurance.  He asked if they could do it later because was really feeling bad.  They got a nurse and a wheelchair immediately and got him into the er within seconds.  He didn't have to fill out anything.  He did indeed have a heart attack.  They didn't mess around but if you come in with a broken arm or something like that you may have to go thru the insurance part.

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

You're nuts!

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt

I just don't care what YOU think.  All the big game talk is done by ollie, milly, you, badeere, wehav and 3020.

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Re: Darn, thought our socialist president and his minions could pay off the debt


@schnurrbart wrote:

Of course you would figure that way.The sheriff doesn't handle murderers and rapist.  The more serious crimes are dealt with in the prisons around AZ.  Why does someone who committed a somewhat minor crime have to be treated like a dog?  I don't think I agree with tvs in every room in prison or some of the other perks some prisons provide but at the same time we don't need to treat them like dogs.  Many, if not most, get out after their time and go on with their lives.  Few return as 2nd offenders

 

 

From Wikipedia:   http://community.agriculture.com/t5/forums/replypage/board-id/agforum/message-id/33791

 

As reported on BBC Radio 4 on 2 September 2005, the recidivism rates for released prisoners in the United States of America is 60% compared with 50% in the United Kingdom but cross-country statistical comparisons are often questionable.[citation needed] The report attributed the lower recidivism rate in the UK to a focus on rehabilitation and education of prisoners compared with the US focus on punishment, deterrence and keeping potentially dangerous individuals away from society.

The United States Department of Justice tracked the rearrest, re-conviction, and re-incarceration of former inmates for 3 years after their release from prisons in 15 states in 1994.[10] Key findings include:

  • Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).

 

 From here:  http://www.suite101.com/content/criminal-recidivism-in-the-united-states-a258893

Prevalence of Criminal Recidivism

In the United States 70 percent of prisoners who were released from prison were re arrested within three years. The United States Department of Justice has done recidivism studies on offenders from different categories. Among these categories were property offenders, drug offenders, and public –order offenders. The studies found that 73.8% of property offenders re offended,66.7% percent of drug offenders re-offended, and 62.2% of public-order offenders re-offended. By looking at these numbers you can see that well over 50 percent of criminals re offend within three years in all major categories

 

 

I don't know whwer you went to school, but when I learned math, 70% would qualify as 'most' a lot more than 30%

 

 

.  Who is that is always talking about reducing the debt thru reduced benefits or out right removal of the sick, disabled and elderly from Medicade, Medicare and SS?  It isn't the Democrats I can assure you.  

 

News flash:  Feb, 2009:  Obama's budget actually includes some budget cuts, including savings of.... -

snip

 $318 billion -- would come from curtailing payments to hospitals and insurance companies under Medicare and drug payments under Medicaid

from here:

http://blog.cleveland.com/business/2009/02/obama_says_administration_to_s.html

 

 

 

The gop are the ones wanting to balance the budget and reduce the debt by cutting these things down or eliminating them altogether.  

 

I'm waiting for an actual passed budget from the GOP that has similar cuts.  Not a PROPOSED budget, as most of that stuff is gum-flapping, but an actual PASSED budget, like the one I linked to above, that was passed when Obama was President, and Dems had control of both houses of Congress, where the actual cuts were enacted.

 

I think our laws include NO cruel and unusual punishment.  

 

So, tell me how the prisoners were mis-treated?   On an interview, a reporter thought he had Sherriff Joe cornered when he asked him pretty much the same thing.  The Sherriff replied that the US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are living in tents, in even warmer temperatures, without air condidioning.  After the bleeding hearts get A/C to every troop over there, then they could talk.  Also, how many LAW ABIDING people don't have A/C.  Why shouldn't their needs come first?

 

Try sitting outside in a tent in the weather we are having right now.  joe made the news the other day by giving each prisoner a popsickle.  BIG WHOOP!!!  It was only 115 that day and has not had a high of less than 110 for about 10-12 days.  Still over 90 at midnight!

 

So, if you can't take the heat, stay out of prison.  Why should the needs of the law-abiding go un-heeded while criminals get A/C?

Also, since you mentioned it, I was working on putting a new roof on my mother-in-law's house in similar temperatures (3 day job, every day over 110* heat index).  If I can WORK in weather like that, surely a criminal can put up with lounging around in similar conditions.  I didn't even have a tent for shade.

 

 

 No one is deprived of a life threatening incident to fill out papers anywhere.  Quit lieing about those things.

 

Not lying.  I didn't say the WWII vet was dying of an asthma attack, I said he was having one.  Since it wasn't immediately life threatening, he had to wait quite a while before the local hospital got permission fom the VA to give him oxygen and ease his pain/discomfort.  My sister-in-law is an ER nurse, and told the story.  She was really fuming because at the same time, a deadbeat who had a Medicaid 'gold card' and a 'sore throat with runny nose' got to the front of the line, while she was on hold with the VA to get authorization to give the poor old fellow oxygen.

 

  My cousin, a dentist in Illinois thought he was going to have a heart attack.  They go to the Dr in St Louis because it is close.  When they got to the ER, they were directed to the Admin folks to make sure he had insurance.  He asked if they could do it later because was really feeling bad.  They got a nurse and a wheelchair immediately and got him into the er within seconds.  He didn't have to fill out anything.

 

Glad to hear it, and that makes sense, as hospitals cannot refuse or delay treatment in critical cases.  The problem with the old WWII vet is he wasn't in immediate life-threatening danger, just extreme discomfort.

 

 He did indeed have a heart attack.  They didn't mess around but if you come in with a broken arm or something like that you may have to go thru the insurance part.