Don`t tell me, we aren`t all going to hell.

[gough whitlam]

kraft-t Senior Advisor
10:34 AM
Is the authors of scripture were self righteous old pharts just like the folks that promote them.

The same old same old superiority complex and they wrote down scriptures to confirm and promote their ideals, not gods. Religion is a business, always has been and they will sell you soup whether it is good for you or not.

The scripturtres of matthew Mark Luke or John were not written by the apostles as bibical scholars would have you beleive. In fact the authors never had a personal experience with the Messiah as you were led to believe.

It's all a scam, much worse than any other visited upon humanity. And these godly men expect free men to accept their dogma as divine inspiration.

Christ don, I have been belting away at this for years now and you never said a word. Have you seen the "light"?

Have a glance at all the old godbotherers who rise in unison with bible quotes to justify their delusion. They are a gaggle of old Jesus junkies waiting for god to save them. It's like trying to teach a dog or an spprentice. You have to tell them everything again after lunch.

But you have to take pity on them knowing what awaits them. Because of their beliefs their stature in society is perceived to be higher because of it. Well above us because of their instructions for us to follow. Fancy talking orders from this mob of dead beat losers who bludge on the government. And then they demand respect??????

[Canuck_2]

---

@KNAPPer wrote:

Canuk - Hmmm...You took my words out of context twice and made some assumptions about what I wrote that are simply not true, but such is the nature of posting and replying on such forums. It takes either essays or consversation to really discuss such a subject. You can put me in the believer category, but I have never forced my religion on anyone and I seldom wish to discuss it in person or public. BA, 3020 and their brothers in sync are very displeased with my viewpoints. Heck, just read what "good ole" BA posted about me when he replied to you!

Here's our deal - I won't push any of my beliefs on you and you will not push any of your beliefs on me. We are both free to comment and discuss of course, when appropriate. There are no "steps" involved here and I am not brainwashed, so please keep your tone to that end and point out all the hypocracity you will. We simply have divergent beliefs. So, let's keep it civil and non-accusatory between us. 

Some day, I would like to discuss Buddhism with you, but not here and now.

---

One thing about an internet forum like this is no one will push their 'beliefs' on anyone unless the other person wishes to accept them.

Another thing I would point out that is different is I do not 'believe' or have 'beliefs' like those of religious 'believers' since I establish my understanding of how the universe works on evidence and facts rather than 'beliefs'.

i know it is hard for many who just 'believe' in things that have no explanation, evidence or facts to back them up but those of us who say we have no evidence and therefore no reason to think there are any gods have no 'beliefs'.

i try not to accuse people of anything but I do reserve the right to point out the impossibilities, inconsistencies and errors in 'beliefs'.

Remember I will accept the fact of a god if any facts are presented to show one exists but I will not bow down to any god with a track record like most that have been put forward. 

Following the god that those you listed follow is not the sign of a thinking person.

[Canuck_2]

---

@kraft-t wrote:

Is the authors of scripture were  self righteous old pharts just like the folks that promote them.

The same old same old superiority complex and they wrote down scriptures to confirm and promote their ideals, not gods. Religion is a business, always has been and they will sell you soup whether it is good for you or not.

The scripturtres of matthew Mark Luke or John were not written by the apostles as bibical scholars would have you beleive. In fact the authors never had a personal experience with the Messiah as you were led to believe.

It's all a scam, much worse than any other visited upon humanity. And these godly men expect free men to accept their dogma as divine inspiration.

---

Don, true biblical scholars will tell you where the bible came from and they have evidence of who wrote parts of it and like you note it is not by those who they sections were named for.

It is too bad that those who think it is so infallible do not understand how it was put together and who the real authors were but when you 'just believe' it does not really matter I guess.

[Canuck_2]

---

@Taylor ECIL wrote:

He is very good at taking words out of context, and ery good at not wanting to listen to any explanation that does not fit his requirements. It is best just to leave him alone rather than feeding his ego. He thinks he wins.

---

I assume you are referring to me and I would like to point out that I will listen to explanations that have facts and evidence behind them.

I will not accept the bible as a factual book and that is where we diverge if you are a 'believer'

Just believing in something does not make it correct, you need evidence to back it up.

Too many of the explanations that are made about unacceptable statements in the bible are just smoke and mirrors to try to ignore the inhuman, uncaring, evil, and incorrect things that the bible commands its followers to do.

Thinking people can see this but those who just 'believe' make excuses to try to ignore those parts.

Thinking and caring people would not want to follow a god with rules like the bible has.

So leave me alone if you wish but you also know I am correct when I point out the bad things that are listed in the bible as rules for you to live with AND I am also correct when I point out that you all create your own god in your own mind and set your own rules because you know you would never want to follow all the commands in the bible.

Probably that is why you wish to leave me alone and the fact that you have no evidence of any god existing.

[Canuck_2]

---

@Taylor ECIL wrote:

Actually the Bible does go against slavery. You need to keep in mind when it was written and many people were slaves, indentured servants, what have you. So people are being told to show the love of Christ, not by rebeling against your masters but working for them as God was your master. Yet Christ told us there are only two laws. Love the Lord you God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself. If you would not want to be a slave then do not make someone else a slave. If Christ would have come out and said slavery is illegle, than there would have been an uprid=sing and many hebrews would have been killed needlessly. Sometimes change takes place slowly.

BTW when Christ died on the cross the old covenant (testament laws) died with Him, and the new covenant was formed.

---

So the reason the god of the bible, the all powerfull and all knowing god of the bible, did not come out against slavery is he/she/it was afraid of the people!

Yet we know slavery is wrong and it took the church under the watchful eye of this god who did not condem it most of 2000 years to come out against it.

think of all the human suffering that could have been prevented if only that god had used the foresight and caring to make a rule to stop it thousands of years ago.

That god was wrong and according to your excuses for its inactivity about slavery also a weak moral character that would not stand up for what is right.

Some god to have to follow.

[kraft-t]

Religion is a business now and in ancient times. Remember the christ throwing the money changers out of the tmple. They were at work them as they are now. They have to indoctrinate the gullible to gain their support. After all they are selling them tomorrow. The promise of eternal salvation if only you support our dogma.

A kind and loving God would never allow  the havoc, plagues and pestilence to befall his people. At least by definition of a kind and loving god is off the mark.

It's closer to a vindictive meanspirted old phart than a kind and loving one. But then that is part of the sales pitch.  The promise of salvation and the threat of damnation. Like the Godfather, He gives us a deal we can't refuse. Maybe I'll find a horses head in my head. Like mrs 3020 find a horses ass in hers! lol