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OKdon
Senior Contributor

Eminent domain

A topic at tonights repub debate. Trump was trying to defend eminent domain even in the case of private company or individual To another if the deal was in the interest of public good. In other words the keystone pipeline should be allowed to claim land rights from farmer to assist in the pipeline construction because it is for the public good.

 

It s one thing to take a property for a road or a hospital or school but favoring a business over a private property owner? I don't think  so. There is a way to accomplish what they want. It is called money and enough to persuade a resistant seller to become a willing seller.

 

It's like me asking government to force my neighbor to sell me that adjoining 80 so that I could have longer rows. Think how that would help my efficiency. Well Bush brought up the elderly lady that had a house where Trump wanted a casino parking lot. Well trumps parking lot would make one heluva nice place for my auto dealership. Should trump be forced to sell?

 

And so it goes that big business thinks everyone should cater to their needs. In these cases the city thinks the tax revenues from these new businesses is the best use of certain properties. So I disagree and businesses need to locate where there are no concerns about property right. If not they can get the check book out and provide outlandish bids for such properties. That is the american way. Willing buyers and willing sellers and every business in america is well aware of that strategy. Don't ask government to give you an advantage in the negotiation. The great persuader is more money than anyone could expect. And sometimes that don't even work. The answer? Build elsewhere.

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Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Eminent domain

I agree 100% and that is one more reason why Trump is not a conservative republican. Private property rights have long been a conservative position.

OKdon
Senior Contributor

Re: Eminent domain

I don't pretend to be a conservative, but right is right and wrong is wrong.If you want to buy or use someone else's properity then you must pony up and pay the price, Be even then is a seller is not compelled to sell even at an outrageous price, the the potentioal buyer needs to fold up his tent and buy else where.

 

I've made so many purchases during my life time but often I failed because the current owners were not persuaded to sell at my offer. I wouldn't think to call the government for for their intervention to gain a favorable deal.

 

In fact, I'm even concerned when the property is taken for public buildings, School , hospitals and such. It seem to me that there are usually willing sellers with adequate properties to fill the bill. Unfortunate the city father declare you acres to be the ideal location and you may be forced to comply with their wishes. Again I think that is questionabe if not wrong.

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Eminent domain

just saying that you may want to think twice, three times, or even more before you start humming "this land is my land, this land is your land" and marching along with Bernie.

 

Human greed is a powerful force, and a person working for their own advancement and for their family accomplishes much more than any socialist ever will, and everyone ends up enjoying the spoils of a capitalistic , greed driven, private property society.

 

You and your brethren here constantly complain about what needs to be done by the government here in the USA, and you guys seem to have no clue about how great things actually are and how miserable they are elsewhere. To be poor in America is to be quite wealthy by the standards of the rest of the world, and that is not due to a long history of socialism.

 

Here in Minnesota we are dealing with another form of land confiscation....where local school districts figured out that they could build new school buildings and have farmers pay the bulk of the dollars. We may get a legislative solution in a few years, but right now a realtor told me that its so bad that farmers on the MN/Iowa borders are trying to sell MN properties and buy Iowa properties just because of the real estate tax issues.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Eminent domain


@OKdon wrote:

I don't pretend to be a conservative, but right is right and wrong is wrong.If you want to buy or use someone else's properity then you must pony up and pay the price, Be even then is a seller is not compelled to sell even at an outrageous price, the the potentioal buyer needs to fold up his tent and buy else where.

 

I've made so many purchases during my life time but often I failed because the current owners were not persuaded to sell at my offer. I wouldn't think to call the government for for their intervention to gain a favorable deal.

 

In fact, I'm even concerned when the property is taken for public buildings, School , hospitals and such. It seem to me that there are usually willing sellers with adequate properties to fill the bill. Unfortunate the city father declare you acres to be the ideal location and you may be forced to comply with their wishes. Again I think that is questionabe if not wrong.


That problem has been solved in the western state where the federal government already owns a majority of the land. And their holding keep increasing.

OKdon
Senior Contributor

Re: Eminent domain

The city folks are paying taxes as well and most folks don't realize that farmers have a better deal than the city folks. When a farmer pays $2500 in taxes on 80 acres valued at $700k and a resident in town pays $2300 in taxes on a house that is valued at $200K. Thenit is obvious who gets the better end of that deal. Then consider that the home is aliving expense and the farm is an income producing property. Of course the house could be rental property as well.

 

Your real problem is that the majority of folks are urbans folks and the rural minority cannot reject the bond issues. And that sticks in your craw.

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Eminent domain

a farmer that has a million dollars in land should not be taxed more to support a school building than another person with a million dollar stock portfolio. If you were the one getting assessed $75 per acre rather than $25, you would be crying nonstop. Remember, we know your feathers here.

 

THe fairest way, and the way the republicans will try to change the law to, is to base the school building assessments on the house, one acre and garage. And that may happen sooner than later, and then all the city folks that voted for these 30 year referendums will cry like you have a habit of doing about things like tips, etc.

 

Fair is fair.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Eminent domain


@OKdon wrote:

The city folks are paying taxes as well and most folks don't realize that farmers have a better deal than the city folks. When a farmer pays $2500 in taxes on 80 acres valued at $700k and a resident in town pays $2300 in taxes on a house that is valued at $200K. Thenit is obvious who gets the better end of that deal. Then consider that the home is aliving expense and the farm is an income producing property. Of course the house could be rental property as well.

 

Your real problem is that the majority of folks are urbans folks and the rural minority cannot reject the bond issues. And that sticks in your craw.


Go live on that 80 acres. Farmers pay just as much or more for their house as does city home owners. Plus if he pours a slab of concrete to feed round bales on he gets hit with even more tax.

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Eminent domain

Please explain how it will happen that the state legislature will become formed or re-balanced to accomplish that.

 

Or how the nature of demographics might change whereby a Governor would be elected that would sign a piece of horseshlt like that.