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GoredHusker
Senior Contributor

Re: First of all Hobby

I agree that it's going to take a combination of lots of different sources to even begin to make a dent in the energy crisis.  However, I do think it's very important to point out that ethanol alone receives 6 billion in subsidies to the oil industries 40 billion in subsidies.  This is important because of the fit people throw about big oil and subsidies.  If big oil was subsidized to the point ethanol is then they'd be receiving roughly 225 billion in subsidies.  I would think this money being used as a subsidy would be much better spent developing newer technolgies and/or building more dams, etc.  The disaster in Japan more than likely just prolonged our energy crisis as now any new nuclear power is dead on arrival.  Just as the "greenies" were starting to declare nuclear as green energy, we have a crisis. 

 

I'm of the conclusion that nothing will change until we hit a point where energy is so cost prohibitive we're forced to do something.  A wise man once told me that while we're having a few skirmishes over oil, there will eventually be civil wars and such over food and water. 

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: First of all Hobby

Hey Schurrbart, with grain prices this high the only subsidies a farmer gets is a direct payment of about $35 plus a reduced price on crop insurance for a total of maybe $50/acre.  Now, with a 200 bushel yield and lately corn going up or down as much as 45¢ in one day, that would mean that you`re $90 richer or poorer on one acre of corn.  That $50/acre Uncle Sugar payment won`t make or break you, however can you tell me if this or any year is going to be profitable?  Whatever anyone says, I can paint a senario where you could almost go broke no matter how good of grower/marketer you are.  For example you lock in $6 corn, have 85% crop ins .......and October is very dry and a idiot throws out a cigarette butt and all your fields burn to the ground, regular crop ins doesn`t cover that and if you had to buy corn to fill your contracts at these prices and razor thin margins it could break you. In short most of us borrow from a bank and given all the risks if a farmer turned down a sure $50/acre income your banker would have you thrown in the looney bin.  In Hobby`s case, he probably inherited his 140 acres and has zero debt.  His old Lady is probably a Teacher and he has a good job, he doesn`t farm for a living, pretty easy to be Mr Smarty Pants in those conditions.

GoredHusker
Senior Contributor

Re: First of all Hobby

Yes, transportation fuels includes all road fuel.  The article didn't state specifically, but I'm guessing they're including diesel, propane, natural gas, etc.  One has to understand that ethanol isn't mandated in every state.  Even if other fuels make up half of the road fuels, this means ethanol barely makes up five percent of gasoline usage (2.65 x 2 = 5.3).

 

I do feed cattle, but one must also understand that I feed less than 20% of my corn production.  Therefore, I sell just over 80% of the corn I produce.  Here in the middle of farming country, I watch people when they fill up their vehicles.  Some people use e10 and some don't.  Those that don't usually say the few pennies saved doesn't even begin to pay financially for the loss in fuel mileage they receive.  I sell corn to ethanol plants.  I also feed wet distillers.  Ethanol has been good to me, but I also recognize the problems associated with ethanol.  I'm a firm believer in capitalism which makes me a believer in ending the protection of ethanol.  Remove the mandates if ethanol is a great alternative.  Remove the protective tariffs if ethanol is a great alternative.  Remove both the subsidies to ethanol and the subsidies to oil companies.  There's absolutely zero reason to subsidize either ethanol or oil when both have the opportunity to sell to the highest bidder meaning they can and do sell it out of the country.  If ethanol is this great alternative that we're led to believe, it should sell itself.  People will continue to use it without subsidizing and mandating it.  

 

I have read your posts for quite a while.  It appears you are against socialism.  What exactly do you call our current ethanol policy?  What is free about our ethanol policy?  We mandate its usage.  We subsidize it.  And then, we keep any competition for it out via tariffs.  You're against Obamacare, but I fail to see many differences.       

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Extremist and hockey sticks.

You really get off, with these kinds of posts, don't you, Craig? Anyone who has ever farmed has seen those kinds of things, and I have to tell you the shock factor your looking for, only comes from your side of the aisle. You put that up there, under the suspicion that that baby is/was supposed to be healthy? For all you know it was already dead. And we're supposed to accept YOUR word to the contrary? Think again, bub, you've proved you have NO honesty, or intergrity. You cheated people out of their money for hay YOU KNEW was tainted, and the cattle wouldn't eat it! An honest man would have taken that hay out and burned it, and chalked it up to experience, but not YOU! You just sneeked into a trusting mans load and charged him the same as if it were good stuff. YOU CAN'T BE BELIEVED, CRAIG! YOUR A SHISTER, JUST LIKE YOUR POLITICAL PARTY!!

Thanks for posting that picture, I showed it to my Granddaughter. She has just learned how the radical Republicans think they can win political points. Sorry, she was only impressed by your ignorance.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: First of all Hobby

I didn't know that the amount you receive is dependent upon the amount you managed to produce.  Mine was always based on a "basis" for the 3 grain crops grown and was totally independent of anything I grew or didn't.  It didn't change.  Of course, I never took out loans either.

wehav
Senior Contributor

Re: Where I`m coming from, Don

Have you heard of interest?

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Where I`m coming from, Don

The question of not getting back all the money you put in was raised by some of your more intelligent comrades.  Your knowledge is not getting any better.  I know I am ignorant in some things and if your knowledge is as good as my ignorance, then we are both in bad shape.  Your tag line is stupid my friend.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: First of all Hobby

Hey Husker, yes I`m against mandates....however in the case of gasoline there`s been in place a "mandate" for a fuel oxygenate, ethanol replaces a very dangerous MTBE.  So a Libertarian purist would say "no" to even the oxygenate mandate to begin with, so where do you draw the line?  It makes the most sense to use the safer ethanol for an oxygenate if we do have to have a mandate.  With the gov`t proping up ethanol, here`s the way I see it.  We have laws for "equal opportunity" in hiring minorities and women, to sort of put them on even ground with the "majority".  So with a expensive new industry like bio-fuels it can use a bit of "affirmitive action".  I really don`t like E-85 but 10% does make sense.  We live in a diverse imperfect world and with the mild hypocrisy of ethanol, it pales in comparison to the rest of the crap we have to put up with.  It kind of boils down to it erks quite a few people to see the corn farmer to finally get paid over his cost of production....oh the horrors Smiley Surprised

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Get real with the oil subsidies

Our addiction to oil has cost us at least a trillion in just the last decade in military costs alone without looking into the tax subsidies and direct grants. You must have grabbed some numbers from an Exxon or BP propaganda site.

 

But if you want to believe that, hey, Whatever floats your little rubber duckie.

Milligan Hay - Iowa d:^)
Veteran Advisor

Re: Extremist and hockey sticks.


@GreaTOne_65 wrote:

You really get off, with these kinds of posts, don't you, Craig?

No, I don't.  They make normal people sick.  You should be proud of it, as it is your political party that would rather die (ironic, ain't it?) than ban the murder of children. 

Anyone who has ever farmed has seen those kinds of things,

Is that supposed to make it alright for your party to promote the killing of children???

 

 and I have to tell you the shock factor your looking for, only comes from your side of the aisle.

I am only interested in showing what your "people" seek to promote.

 

 

 You put that up there, under the suspicion that that baby is/was supposed to be healthy? For all you know it was already dead. And we're supposed to accept YOUR word to the contrary?

If the child were already dead, it would be gray in color, with hematoma blotches visible over the body.  But.... you and your kind would not even understand what I said.

 

 

Think again, bub, you've proved you have NO honesty, or intergrity [integrity]. You cheated people out of their money for hay YOU KNEW was tainted, and the cattle wouldn't eat it!

That is a libelous lie and you know it.  In a much earlier post, I said that I had bought some hay that was fertilized with hog manure... not by the way it smelled, but if you chewed up the stems and leaves, you could taste the flavor of the hog crap.  Horses are overly picky about the flavor of plants.  There was nothing unhealthy about the hay, nor the quality of the plants in the bale..... it just had a funny flavor, which the horses may, or may not have been picky about.   A lot of the horses are just plain spoiled with my high quality hay, and turned up their noses with some hay that I had bought.... just to keep them going when I was running out of forages.  One bale into a load of hay does not make a damm bit of difference.  It was still quality hay.   The guy that sold it to me lied about how it was grown, and my dear Dale.... the guy was a Democrat from over near Knoxville, Iowa.  Needless to say, I did not buy from him again.

 

No one complained about the hay and everyone continued to buy hay from me for years to come.  Some Horses are just plain picky about everything. 

 

 

An honest man would have taken that hay out and burned it, and chalked it up to experience, but not YOU! You just sneeked into a trusting mans load and charged him the same as if it were good stuff.

As I said, it was good hay, but had a hint of hog crap taste in the stems.  I am not going to burn perfectly good hay.  Anything that is not worthy of feeding to my customers horses gets fed to my cattle.

 

 

YOU CAN'T BE BELIEVED, CRAIG! YOUR A SHISTER, JUST LIKE YOUR POLITICAL PARTY!!

You are corrupt, just like your leader George Soros, who funds all of your propaganda groups that you carry the water for.

 

 

Thanks for posting that picture, I showed it to my Granddaughter. She has just learned how the radical Republicans think they can win political points. Sorry, she was only impressed by your ignorance.

 

If your Granddaughter enjoyed that picture, it is probably because she can't wait to have an abortion of her own and get bragging rights at the local democrat county committee.

I am far from being ignorant.  I know that your people are the reason for that picture....print it off and enjoy it, you brought it about.