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Senior Advisor

Global warming or cancer, what a dilemma.

If big tobacco is responsible for smoking caused cancer then who should be responsible for light bulb caused cancer. What did GE know and when did they know it? Did the EPA hide data?

 

snip-scientists warned that they contain cancer causing chemicals.

Energy saving light bulbs

 

 

Their report advises that the bulbs should not be left on for extended periods, particularly near someone’s head, as they emit poisonous materials when switched on.

Peter Braun, who carried out the tests at the Berlin's Alab Laboratory, said: “For such carcinogenic substances it is important they are kept as far away as possible from the human environment.”

The bulbs are already widely used in the UK following EU direction to phase out traditional incandescent lighting by the end of this year.

But the German scientists claimed that several carcinogenic chemicals and toxins were released when the environmentally-friendly compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) were switched on, including phenol, naphthalene and styrene.

Andreas Kirchner, of the Federation of German Engineers, said: “Electrical smog develops around these lamps.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8462626/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals...

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Senior Contributor

Re: Global warming or cancer, what a dilemma.

The answer is obvious. 

Save the planet.  Mostly civilized countries are going to use these killer bulbs and that means killing off the rich and advanced peoples leaving those closest to nature.

It's a win win for greenies and liberals.

 

Senior Contributor

Re: Global warming or cancer, what a dilemma.

I've always wondered how these so called green technologies save anything when they require many more to do the job of what they replaced.  Take these lightbulbs for example.  In my house and buildings, we have many of these.  What I have learned is that they don't put off nearly as much light.  In order to get the same amount of lighting as the bulbs they replaced, I have to add a lot of additional light sockets.  I've also noticed that they do not last any longer and in many cases last even less than the bulbs I replaced.  It's the same way with these new water saving toilets.  Do they really save any water if you have to flush them two to three times to get things flushed when the old ones do it right the first time?  This then takes me to our new diesel engines.  They supposedly release less carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, but they get 30% or so worse fuel mileage.  Are they really releasing any less carbon dioxide per mile?

Veteran Advisor

Re: Global warming or cancer, what a dilemma.

How does it get through the glass?

Veteran Advisor

Re: The Replacement Is Just Around the Corner


@wehav wrote:

The answer is obvious. 

Save the planet.  Mostly civilized countries are going to use these killer bulbs and that means killing off the rich and advanced peoples leaving those closest to nature.

It's a win win for greenies and liberals.

 


The replacement for those swirly bulbs are just around the corner.  The new ones will be several white LEDs on a disc that is inserted into the bulb.  They will never burn out, in fact, the new lamps that come with them, will be hard wired into the lamp as to never come out, because they will never burn out.

 

 

They use a LOT less electricity than even the swirly bulbs.  Science has the answer to every problem....even the "greenie's" imaginary ones.

Senior Contributor

Re: Another opinion.

Here is an article about the 'problem'

Q: We have been hearing some rumors that CFLs are causing sunburn or skin irritations. Can you offer any insight to this?

A: The short answer is that the rumors are true-ish. According to the United Kingdom’s Health Protection Agency (HPA), being too close to some energy-saving light bulbs could cause skin reddening because of ultraviolet (UV) light emissions.

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Not all open (single envelope) fluorescent light bulbs have significant UV emissions but if people are in very close proximity to some of them, the exposure to bare skin is like being outside in direct sunlight. For example, HPA scientists found that when very close (less than 1 inch) to some open CFLs, the UV level can be equivalent to that experienced outside on a sunny day in the summer, so some precaution is warranted. When farther away (at least 1 foot), the UV level is less than being outside on a sunny day in winter, which is not a concern. The larger, long tube fluorescent lights commonly used in offices can also be used on ceilings without any special precautionary measures.

 

http://www.residentiallighting.com/Can-sitting-too-close-to-a-CFL-cause-a-rash-article10833

Senior Contributor

Re: The Replacement Is Just Around the Corner

  You're right Milligan, whereas a CFL uses about 1/4th of the watts of an incandescent bulb, a LED uses about 1/4th of the watts of a CFL bulb. But, it's the lumens that count, and the LEDs have a little way to go yet. If the right fixture is used along with the proper placement, they can be just like the incandescent.

  Who would have thought that the average person could go a whole lifetime without changing a bulb(50,000 hours), and if anything it's just rebuilt?????

Advisor

Re: The Replacement Is Just Around the Corner

Back when people were consistently more literate and well read and well spoken and most definitely more engaged with other people face to face on a daily basis all of the illumination was acheived by wax and kerosene.

 

All of those amazing letters home from the Civil, Spainish American and First World wars that are read in documentaries and preserved in archives were penned without the aid of electric illumination.

Senior Contributor

Re: The Replacement Is Just Around the Corner

  Yeah, we still make our kids hand-write thank you notes. Some of the best conversations of the year happen by the fire light on the patio, where all the world's problems get solved and some pretty good ideas for inventions come around too. The winter time is fun with the group of people playing spoons or s##t on your neighbor, but it's nothing like the summer though. I've even acquired a taste for meads too.

  It makes you wonder how so much got accomplished considering the way things were done back then and the lengths that folks had to go to.

Veteran Advisor

Re: Global warming or cancer, what a dilemma.

Can you tell me how those chemicals get through the glass or not?

 

"The Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) of the UK also maintains: "Energy efficient light bulbs are not a danger to the public. Like many household products, they must be disposed of sensibly and there are suitable facilities available for this purpose. Although they contain mercury, limited at 5mg per lamp, it cannot escape from a lamp that is intact. In any case, the very small amount contained in an energy efficient bulb is unlikely to cause harm even if the lamp should be broken."

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/136769/20110421/energy-environment-efficient-lamps-cfl-bulbs-cancer-...

 

Phenol, for example, when ingested in high concentrations could kill, but is used in small doses in a lot of every day chemicals, from mouth washes to strong disinfectants.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/136769/20110421/energy-environment-efficient-lamps-cfl-bulbs-cancer-...