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Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

First off, under Obamacare, everyone who makes 133% or less than 'poverty level' gets their insurance for free.  I consider that 'poor'.

 

 

 A letter from the Ohio Lt. Gov, and Insurance director, see what I highlighted:

 

 

 

http://www.insurance.ohio.gov/Newsroom/Pages/09082011LtGovObamacare.aspx

 

 

By Mary Taylor

Ohio Lt. Gov. and Insurance Director

 Obamacare is so complex that only a few of its impacts have been widely publicized.  In fact, many of the law’s far reaching mandates and requirements are still being defined by Washington bureaucrats.  But as you look closer at some of its lesser known provisions, one thing becomes clear: the authors of Obamacare are more concerned with a government takeover of health care and less worried about you the consumer and the increasing cost of health insurance because of this law’s mandates.  Here are just three of the major market changes – among many – that all Ohioans should understand.

First, the law’s heavy-handed mandates force insurance companies to include coverage for many benefits and services you may not want.  Say for example, you do not have any children.  Under Obamacare, you would still have to carry insurance that covers pediatric, maternity and newborn care even though you do not need it.  Such mandates remove consumerism from the process and replace it with a one-size-fits-all approach.  By requiring consumers to buy services they do not want or need, costs will rise significantly.

Second, Obamacare limits the deductible amount a consumer can choose to pay each year.  Today, similar to car or home insurance, health insurance can be purchased with high deductibles or low deductibles impacting the monthly premium you pay.  Obamacare limits high deductible plans leaving consumers with fewer choices. These restrictions, however, have not yet been clearly defined by Washington bureaucrats who could make them even worse.

Third, Obamacare squeezes the rating rules for insurance carriers in Ohio forcing some to pay higher premiums.  This means you will no longer pay premiums for health insurance based on your choices and lifestyle as much as you do today.  For example, insurance companies can currently rate an individual on a wide array of factors such as health status, occupation, and tobacco use.  Because there are so many factors, there is more competition among insurance companies resulting in more options and lower costs for consumers. 

But when Obamacare is fully implemented there will be only four rating factors permitted under law.  Those are age, family status, geographic location and tobacco use.  By narrowing the playing field, consumers will have less control over their health care costs based on the decisions they make compared to today’s laws.  And because choices are no longer rewarded, insurance companies will be forced to treat everyone the same resulting in skyrocketing premiums for many low-risk, health conscious consumers.

Simply put, these changes all have one theme in common – government knows best.  In other words you the consumer do not know how to buy insurance for yourself; you need the government to tell you what you must purchase.  There is no consumer-driven, market-based approach when Obamacare is fully implemented.  Choices will be limited, mandates will be increased and costs will continue to rise but at a much faster pace.  The intent behind the law seems clear.  Obamacare is government telling you what you must have – it is not a solution that provides you with the health care options that you want and need.

 

 

According to the Ohio Insurance Director, once Obamacare is fully implemented, things like alcohol use, weight, cholesterol, blood pressure, etc, will NOT be a consideration for your premiums.

 

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

Apparently the Lt. Governor, would rather ignore this rule in the ACA.

 

And because choices are no longer rewarded, insurance companies will be forced to treat everyone the same resulting in skyrocketing premiums for many low-risk, health conscious consumers.

 

 

http://www.healthcare.gov/news/reports/mlr-rebates06212012a.html

 

 

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

Huh, so your a fatso?

gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

I was hoping some one might bite.  Tell me - do you oppose abortion on religious grounds, primarily, or some other reason.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.


@GreaTOne_65 wrote:

Apparently the Lt. Governor, would rather ignore this rule in the ACA.

 

And because choices are no longer rewarded, insurance companies will be forced to treat everyone the same resulting in skyrocketing premiums for many low-risk, health conscious consumers.

 

 

http://www.healthcare.gov/news/reports/mlr-rebates06212012a.html

 

 


They will discriminate alright. You don't live by their standards you don't get any health care at all. Even after they have confiscated your tax dollars for your whole life.

Snooky1953
Senior Contributor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

You didn't tell who "they" are and you said the poor will have insurance provided and that isn't true.  They will get a subsidy to pay for whatever insurance policy they decide on.  The other thing is that she is voicing her opinion on what she THINKS will happen.

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

You didn't read the article, did you, turdy? You are an imbicile.

Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

Much of it may be opinion, but everyone who qualifies, with income under 131% of poverty level, gets free taxpayer funded coverage, under Obamacare.  

Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: Government to fat smokers, drop dead.

I read about rebates, from what they call insurance overcharges, but I didn't find anything in it about whether the obese will pay more than the skinny, or not.