Graduation

[BA Deere]

Hey Red, here`s a Iowa Press interview http://www.iptv.org/iowapress/episode.cfm/3931  Representative Raecker asks the rhetorical question `If my student is paying his full tution, is it fair that 22% of it goes to fund scholarships for other students?`  Therefore the full tution student is sweating working 22% more, having a 22% higher student loan debt all to give someone a "free ride".  If the government wants to give out scholarships that`s a separate issue, but when universities use tution money for scholarships that`s just wrong especially with all this student debt.  This reminds me of the old "Production Credit" outfit that made you borrow 10% more to buy shares in PCA...at least that wasn`t 22%    *The exact quote from Rep. Raecker is about a hair more than half way through the written dialogue.   He commends the Board of Regents for "looking into it" yeah, I hope no one`s holding their breath.

[BA Deere]

Yes Canuck, having a bachelors degree opens alot of closed doors and over a lifetime of work you will have made $1 million more than someone with a only a high school education...however it`s what someone does with their degree and if they have a degree in something usefull.  Winnebago is full of HS graduates and college grads working on the same line making the same money, with the difference the college grad has to mail in his student loan payment.   Canuck bud you don`t miss a beat, do you?  `graduates from the RELIGIOUS SCHOOL weren`t qualified to be a mechanic`       

[hardnox604008]

Yes, if there is a socail good associated with greater college attendance then we should be adults about it and just subsidize it.

Or is this just a matter of accounting- that essentially what remains of dwindling state support is going to the lower income students?

One thing that Joe the Plumber proved is that you shouldn't expect POed culture warriors to understand accounting.

Actually it probably depends. In bled out rust belt states like PA, OH, MI, state support for higher ed is probably less than the differential you mention regardless of how you cut it.

At present IA certainly has the resources to pay for it if they choose given that the US government has chosen to tip the table and drain the pot into agriculture's lap- in no small part becasue of the political machinations of the state of Iowa.  But I digress.

[bruce MN]

That piece at the end.  That's a triple dog danger secret nox.., kept locked away in state and rural court houses all over the grain belt. 

Your running the risk here of letting the great unwashed in on it.  So very careless of you.

[Samnospam]

Something to consider. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr8qHv4hCVw&feature=player_embedded

[bruce MN]

Good stuff Sam. Interesting which states...Cal and Oregon show up, but the bulk of them Southern and "red".

Thought back to what nox said below about "for profit" schools.  Could maybe  be that the amount of schoioling required for some of those menial and not very complicated tasks is driven by how much the schooling providers can get by with loading on to the system.

That's been proven to happen with privatized correctional institutions.  Big case in Pa. got a Judge thrown in to the klink himself for summarily convicting youth offenders and gettting kick backs from the corp that was running the reform school he sent them off to.

It's a ratherr corrupt and cynical system that's evolved out of well meaning efforts on many fronts.  Hard to sort it all out.

[BA Deere]

You guys do know that there isn`t a invisible force field around your assets, they`ll come after yours too.  As for ISU and UNI and Uof I soaking students that pay their own way...they better not get too cocky, us peasants just might say "beep it!" and sent out kids to Hillsdale College where they will get an education beyond "tapping a keg" http://www.hillsdale.edu/

[Samnospam]

Plenty of trades you could complain about, but cosmetology is one that blows my mind.  If you have a shop aren't you pretty darned motivated to make sure your employees know what they are doing?  Wouldn't the risk of losing all your customers be enough to motivate the shop owner to be diligent?  And yet in this state a person must be trained and licensed.  What a waste of time and money.  My wife cuts my hair, no training. 

[kraft-t]

with a nursing degree. She currently has 7 offers from hospitals and is deciding which one she takes. She is currently being selective about what type of nursing she wants to do. I told her to make a commitment before the offers disappear.

Evidently, about 40% of current graduates are unable to find an job they are trained for.

[kraft-t]

Because there is a policy in this country to keep labor costs low. Thus students wish to choose a field where their labor is appreciated and compensated.

You're right in that one should train for a field in which there is a market for their services. A degree in social work is needed but not in great demand. Taxpayers don't want to pay for those services even though family and kids need them.