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Re: Guns change the way you think

.12 GA with buck is probably a lot better bet.

 

Doubt that most handgun owners could shoot straight enough under stress, even if Dirty Harry can.

 

 

 

 

Veteran Advisor

Re: Guns change the way you think

I can do FAR more damage with three beer bottles filled with gasoline , three washcloth rags, and a Bic lighter.

Shall we regulate bottles, gas, rags, and cigarette lighters?

Heck, fill a two gallon pump-up garden sprayer with diesel fuel, tie a rag into a ball, take some baler wire and the rag ball and afix the wire onto the rag. Afix the other end of the wire onto the sprayer wand. Pump up the sprayer, spray the oil onto the rag ball, jump on a running ATV at the Iowa State Fair, light the rag wick, go like nuts down the Grand Concourse spraying diesel into a flame thrower. That would kill several hundred people in a couple minutes.

My point is, you cannot prevent nuts from harming people.
Senior Contributor

Re: Guns change the way you think

The gun laws already in effect don't work?   And how many people with a legal carry permit have gone on a shooting spree?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senior Advisor

Re: Guns change the way you think


@OKdon wrote:

Gun owners do not kill people. IRRESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS DO!  Where we differ is that you don't want to tolerate any effort to keep guns away from irresponsible people. Therefore guns should be registered and secured from those that are irresponsible. Giving a fire arm to a 10 year old is like giving a sharp knife to a 3 year old. Someone is responsible for the damage caused and it aint the kid.

 

If your gun is stolen or borrowed and used in a commision of a crime, YOU SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, WHY? Because you did not keep it properly secured. If somebody borrows you car and smashes into some pedestrians, do you not expect the victims to sue the owner of the car. Why shouldn't the owner of the gun be liable? Should gun owners be required to buy liability insurance for each gun he possesses? YOU BET

 

Who is to decide if a gun owner has mental problems? If he has rage problems then he is a danger to his wife his family or anyone else in the community. Who is responsible to disarm him before his rage compels him to shoot someone or many? Gun control may not prevent him but confiscation might.

 

So therefore you choose to help society deal with the problem or you do not. Meanwhile, the public is exposed to the threat of gun violence just because your firearms give you an erection. Plus many of you do not exhibit rational logic on the question. Thus you think you deserve the right to own any firearm you choose and any quantity no matter how much carnage is caused by people that own them.  That is why you are called gun nutz.

 

 

 


You want to criminalise the innocent.

Honored Advisor

Re: Guns change the way you think

If your gun wasn`t secure and was stolen and someone got murdered...you`d be in court, you`d be judged by a jury of your peers.   The left is asking for 150 guns to be banned and magazines that hold over 10 rounds to be banned, so the left IS RESPONSIBLE for legitimate gunowners being concerned.

 

The thing with a gun registry, as crooked as the left is, if they had a list of "who owns what" how long would it be before they would ban certain models and know right where to go?  Or implement a annual TAX on all guns owned?   As nutty as the left is, I see absolutely no reason to trust them with any information.

Senior Contributor

apparently no one read the article

Yes it is done on an anti gun slant

But did no one read and understand what it was saying.  Just the fact that there are so many guns around changes the way people think when they think they are in the presence of guns.

There is a lot of big talk by some of what they would do with their guns.  The article points out that without training and at that very complete training most people do not react the way the big talk goes.

It is a very different thing to point a gun at another human being and do it properly in an uncontrolled under attack situation.  Not so many have that experience and training.  And as the article pointed out even those trained to supposedly be ready to use fire power have trouble when an actual life or death situation happens.

The article says though that just the knowledge that guns are in an environment ups the aggressive response factor.  The swagger of I'm prepared; when in all actuality until it happens to you, you really can't know how you will react.  But the presence of the guns in every day life (where they don't belong) puts every one in more danger because of the unpredictability of responses.

As for the automatics and large clips.  Sure go ahead and have them.  In the proper situation they probably are a lot of fun.  But say they have to be kept at an approve shooting range with approved very safe storage and when you want to play with your big toy you have to go there to a very controlled situation.  But that brings to mind the "sniper trial" which of course proves that even such a situation isn't really safe.

The question is why have Americans, in particular, decided that guns are the answer to so many problems?  Why are Americans turning to gun violence so much?

Honored Advisor

Re: apparently no one read the article

Oh we read it or enough of it to know that it`s poppycock.  What it boils down to is `a armed man is a citizen and a unarmed man is a subject` and I supose those yearning for a totalitarian society do feel threatened by the self confidense of the citizens.  Citizens that dial 911 after the fact asking the cops to bring some mops and squeegees, instead of dialing 911 weeping and shaking while hiding in a closet.

Advisor

Re: apparently no one read the article

No, I think actually the sense of personal sovereignty that you feel when carrying supports the point.

Senior Contributor

Re: Guns change the way you think

You're not innocent if you don't keep your guns secure!

Senior Contributor

Re: Guns change the way you think

Oh yeah. Powerful argument. Ban peaches and plums because some one might choke on the pit.

 

I agree we People have a habit of running down the IA State Fair with a homemade flme thrower!  Wher do you find these fine examples?  And you wonder why they think the menza man is a lunatic?