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Senior Contributor

Re: well ba

The next shooter already has his gun and magazine and ammunition and in two or whatever weeks, the next shooter will go into a McDonalds or wherever and shoot the place up.

So because no one put some controls on guns in your country before there are gas available now and that is the reason to not do anything now?

That reasoning would keep anything from changing.

Your dear leader blames it on mental illness so what are you doing about that? since other countries apparently must have solved their mental illness since they do not have gun men running around killing people every day.

I guess that would indicate most mental illness is in men on your country and obviously more in white men that this other guys too.

Maybe all white men should go in for a checkup on the mental stability..............especially before you let them have a gun.

Honored Advisor

Re: well ba

Why should my "Dear Leader" fall on his sword and not get re elected for "doing something"?    If you compare us to Japan or Australia, then have the guts to propose "Australian gun laws" and face the voters instead of the cowardly death of 1,000 cuts to the 2nd Amendment.

Senior Contributor

Re: well ba

So you are happy that your dear leader doesn't do anything to try to stop the mass shootings in your country?

You do have gun laws now but obviously they are not working as well as those in Australia, Japan or even Canada so maybe they need a little revision but if you do not want your leaders to do anything to correct the killings then I guess that is what you got so you should be happy with the fact that your country is running more than 1 mass killing a day.

Senior Contributor

Re: well ba

(...then I guess that is what you got so you should be happy with the fact that your country is running more than 1 mass killing a day.)

mass shooting

Senior Advisor

Re: well ba

Well your gun laws didn't slow Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod down much did it. Some how they had guns but their victims didn't.

Honored Advisor

Re: well ba

What can my "Dear Leader" do to stop the next mass shooting short of putting the whole country in prison?   The next shooter has his gun and in 2 weeks will hit a targets.  If "something" could be done, why didn`t Obama take guns away in 2009-2010 when he had the House and Senate (from Democrat gerrymandering no doubt)? 

It`s pie in the sky saying Trump should "do something" whatever that is and he wouldn`t get political credit for poking his eyes out anyway.  The Dems have their issue, they can run on it if they feel it`s a winning issue and "do something" in 2021. 

BTW since YOU brought up race or skin pigment, actually 51% of mass shooters had the black skin pigment.

Looking at the data from the Mass Shooting Tracker, widely utilized by the media, as of this writing, of the 72 mass shooters, perpetrators in shootings that killed or wounded 4 or more people, whose race is known, 21 were white, 37 were black, 8 were Latino, and 6 were members of other groups.

51% of mass shooters in 2019 were black, 29% were white, and 11% were Latino.

Three mass shooters were Asian, two were American Indian and one was Arab.

These numbers are if anything vastly understated. As many as half of the mass shootings that took place in 2019 thus far remain unsolved, but they often took place in black areas and claimed black victims.

White people make up 61% of the country’s population, followed by Hispanics at 17.8%, and African-Americans at 12.7%. In that context, white people are actually dramatically underrepresented among mass shooters, as are Latinos, while African-Americans are highly overrepresented. But that may be because Latino gangs, like MS-13, are less likely to use handguns in public shootouts. And white organized crime groups, like the mafia, no longer carry out attacks like the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre.

Much of this country’s gun violence is really gang violence. And shooting your enemies is a tactic. White organized crime groups make their victims disappear. MS-13’s victims are beheaded and buried in parks. Black gang members open fire on each in major cities. The perpetrators are sometimes never caught. When we distill the problem of mass shootings to its statistical roots, it becomes a gang tactic.

Would the media really like to argue that beheadings are preferable to shootings as a tactic? Were the people buried under Whitey’s house better off than the gang members shot on a Chicago street corner?

Beyond gang violence, the list of mass shootings includes family murder-suicides carried out by both white and black perpetrators, though white family shootings were more prevalent, and workplace shootings by both white and black perpetrators, though black workplace shootings were more common.

Bias is a factor in the overreporting on white mass shooters, but there are different kinds of media biases. Beyond political bias, there’s also narrative bias. The media’s objectivity isn’t just undermined by political agendas, but by the entertainment value of a story from its own privileged perspective.

The media finds a story about a shooting in a small town interesting, but a shooting in the inner city boring. A shooting at a Garlic Festival is a novelty while a shooting at a house party in Chicago isn’t. But the pursuit of novelty creates its own narrative which makes it seem as if mass shootings happen in unlikely places, because they are more memorable, than in the big cities where they actually happen.

And yet some mass shootings were inherently newsworthy, but were never reported.

DeWayne Craddock, a Virginia Beach government employee murdered 12 people at his workplace. The victims were both white and black. Even though Craddock was the deadliest workplace mass shooter of 2019, there’s been very little coverage of his case.

Craddock’s killing spree got far less coverage than Santino William Legan’s attack on the Gilroy Garlic Festival even though he killed 4 times more people than Legan did. White mass shooters like Legan are seen as more newsworthy because they make a better case for gun control due to the fact that they are likelier to use heavier weapons. Legan brought a rifle to the Garlic festival. Craddock used .45 handguns. And he used them more effectively than Legan used, what the media is calling, an assault rifle.

Heavier weapons may make for a better political agenda, but they aren’t necessarily deadlier.

Then there’s a mass shooting story out of Detroit that would have scratched two of the media’s political itches, homophobia and gun control, but was instead buried because the shooter fit the wrong profile.

In June, Devon Robinson shot two gay men and one transgender man. The shootings, which took place during Pride Month, according to a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office, targeted and killed the victims “because they were part of the LGBTQ community.” Had Devon been white, there’s little doubt that there would already be a play, a movie and a monument to his victims. But instead it’s been buried.

The Robinson shootings demonstrate how the media negotiates its own intersectional cover-ups. As does the very different coverage of the political orientations of Patrick Crusius and Connor Betts.

While mass shooters can come from any race or political belief, the one thing that unites them is a desire for publicity. Mass shooters often admire and track the “high scores” of other mass shooters regardless of their motives and politics. What they really want to do, above all else, is kill.

Seung-Hui Cho, the South Korean immigrant, who killed 32 people at Virginia Tech, wrote of being inspired by the Columbine killers, and claimed that he wanted to die to "inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people". Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook school shooter, was inspired by Anders Breivik, a Neo-Nazi mass shooter, even though he had nothing apparently in common with him.

What mass shooters like Cho and Crusius really want is to be celebrities. And the media makes that happen. It broadcasts their manifestos, plasters their photos everywhere, and makes them famous.


Senior Contributor

Re: well ba

Is that the best you could find 3020?

3 killed does not make the cut for mass killings as listed in your country where there is more than 1 a day with 4 or more killed.

Senior Contributor

Re: well ba

I give up in the stats argument BA.

This is where i get the impression that the problem with mass killers is a white skin problem

Since race is almost a subjective thing since anyone with a dark tan is considered a 'black' or at least one of 'those others'

Point is your country has a problem that other countries does not have.

What is the reason? Compare others and see what is different.

Many of you and your dear leader say it is mental illness so does that mean your country has a lot more mental illness than other countries? Then you better get improved health care to help those people before they go out and kill others. it would also seem a good idea to keep all those sick people from getting guns 

Now what is the plan to reduce if not eliminate all the killing? 

Senior Advisor

Re: well ba

It should be the same strategy as identifying and stopping (other) terrorists, before bad things happen.

Senior Contributor

Re: well ba

(3 killed does not make the cut for mass killings as listed in your country where there is more than 1 a day with 4 or more killed.)

Mass shooting.