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Senior Advisor

Re: Nope, Nope, Nope

It's thought processes like yours that makes some folks rethink their stance on gun control. Do we really want these loonies packing iron?. To think that folks have to live next to folks that think like that and are armed to the teeth with firearms.

 

Are you apt to blast away at a gay guy, because you do exhibit a great deal of animosity toward someone that has nothing to do with you?

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Veteran Advisor

Re: Nope, Nope, Nope

Are you aware that using .50 cals on humans is against the Geneva rules of warfare?  What do you need a .50 cal for?  Is not having 2000rounds of .22 cal something you can't live without?  Do you really think being gay is a choice?  As long as there are people being born, some will be gay.  You imply it both ways in your post.  I still don't know what is wrong with it as far as depriving you of any rights or hurting you in some way.  I certainly hope no dirtbag macho rambo type goes off the deep end and starts shooting in some bar or anywhere but the chances are greatly enhanced in Arizona thanks to an idiot repub gov.  Also, are any of those rules on guns in place now?  

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Veteran Contributor

Re: I'm perplexed???

I think Texas and the rest of the south would do just fine if you and yours decided to kick us out of the country.  In fact, if this country keeps heading in the direction its heading with your president, I have a problem coming up with a reason why it would be a bad idea for those of us who live down here.  We would almost certainly have to build a big fence on our northern border to keep illegals from crossing over for jobs, gas and better looking women. 

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Veteran Advisor

Re: I'm perplexed???

  The ironic part is that we would fund that border fence, and some Northern contractor would have to build it, because you Southerners aren't doing too good on the Texas border.

  Better looking women? Maybe, if you consider obesity an attractive quality, along with the inability to speak English correctly.

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Veteran Advisor

Re: I'm perplexed???

  LOL, the only reason any entity moves there is because of taxes, that coincidentally are made up by the federal government, of which the South doesn't even pay their own way into that same government.

  Look at all the auto manufacturing plants that located down there, courtesy of the massive subsidies from the federal government in the form of tax breaks and credits that will take two generations before they even begin to pay back for the jobs that they "created".

  Yeah, you government hatin' folks in the South would sing a different tune if the federal gravy train came to an end.

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Veteran Advisor

Re: I'm perplexed???

  BA, what I don't understand is that there are 1.8-1.9 million farmers now, and I'm not sure if that number is JUST farmers that grow commodity grains or the total overall. But, with the way that property taxes are computed in Illinois, they do a five year average, and take out the high and low years, and average the remainder for the basis of productivity. So, after the last 5-7 years and decent yields, that will eventually bring up the overall productivity averages, only to set a new bar for taxes, and a farmer could be wiped out if there was massive flooding (like Iowa has recently experienced more than once) or a long devastating drought. So, they're locked in because of the very formula that was designed to offset those negatives. With today's technology in seeds, fertilizer and the application of it, herbicides and pesticides, and equipment, it seems as though you're a victim of your own circumstances, with your over-production and big yields. Wouldn't it make just a little sense to let some land sit idle, if not to drop your future potential tax liability alone because of drastic swings in the weather these days, but to help drive prices up some? Or does the government pay you enough to keep up the same practices that are considered self-defeating???

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Senior Contributor

Re: I'm perplexed???

Hey Tom, I`m pretty sure That the 1.9 million farmer figure is the total of all farmers, anyone filing a schedule F tax form or generating over $1,000 in products.  Probably 1/3 of farms produce 90% of the commodities, or a simular such number. The farm programs are designed to be complicated and are ingenious in creating cheap food. After ethanol and China got booming they could no longer keep the lid on the pot, so now we`re in uncharted territory pricewise. With property taxes here they are assessed, I believe every 5 years and the county supervisors fiddle with the milliage rate to cover their budget each year, supposedly there are limits to what they can do. In the 80`s farm crisis there was talk of "mandatory farm programs" to force farmers to idle land to manage grain supply. As you can imagine I hated that idea and set the editorial pages of newspapers on fire Smiley Happy  I`ll bet you a Pepsi that mandatory programs were right up Don Kraft`s alley. We went for quite a few years in the late 90`s/early 00`s where a grain farmer`s only profit was the $30/a or whatever direct payment. It kept farmers in biz and producing full bore, to survive today while we`re drooling about $6 corn producing at mach 3 with our hair on fire. Yep, farmers are price takers.  

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Veteran Advisor

Re: I'm perplexed???

I've been digging around for a couple of days trying to track this down and finally did. Remembered reading it but not the exact title or where it had been published. It's from 1995...after the Contract for America GOP big takeover of Congressional seats, much as just happened a couple of weeks ago.

 

Not much has changed. Good old **bleep** Armey had more to do with this go round than anybody knows in rounding up the big buck corp funds to support alll of those humble populists that got in on thr bagger platform under the cover of the SCOTUS decision.

 

'Nothing new under the sun":

 

http://www.newsweek.com/1995/01/15/a-defiant-south-secedes-again.html

 

 

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Veteran Advisor

Re: I'm perplexed???

  LOL, I remember the PIK program somewhat well, as my butt was on either a 4320 or 4230 mowing a lot of ground. I remember thinking how ridiculous it sounded at the time, and that it was just a scam to increase the prices for herbicide and fertilizer. I don't remember any farmer thinking that it would work as most if not all were skeptical considering what was happening at the time after being told to plant every inch of land.

  I don't know if this sounds good or bad but you've become too efficient and run yourself out of demand so to speak. It's like building cars that last 10-15 years instead of 5-7 and wondering why sales eventually dropped. LOL

  It seems as though the less farmers that there are, the more "advocates" there are on your behalf. Of course, they have put their interests in front of yours, but they need you to exist, although at a meager rate, because they flourish off of your productivity. I had a discussion a few years ago about a similar topic, and how with access to trading (think Ameritrade) people were dabbling in the markets a lot. But, it had to come to an end eventually(after they've lured everybody in) because if the ditch diggers don't need to work, there goes their need for a job along with an increase in labor prices.

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Re: I'm perplexed???

  LOL, history does repeat itself, in many forms or ways too. If you notice the reoccurring theme of them "wanting government off their backs" NEVER includes their wallets too.

 

  I wonder if they still thought FDR was a "socialist" when they were listening to him on their radio back then. Probably.

 

  Their hypocrisy is only outdone by their narcissism, with their pathetic mixture of self-importance and insecurity.