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Veteran Advisor

Re: Tax package a loser?

  I never once mentioned anything about wars or such, re-read what I wrote.

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Re: Who really has the money interesting read

Where are the accusations of racism in what I said? I said hypersensitive to ethicity and culture. That ain't racist.  You take it there with the next few sentences though. i've never seen you do that before. Dissapointing. But those sensitivities are a fact for a huge majority of public policy makers, Democrats included. Those who are where they are because of who they have siddled up to and bent over for aren't going to support Stossels ideas. Taken out to a logical end Stoseels ideas would have to include lending to aspiring entrepenuers and developers. Would even most likely have the potential to involve changes in property rights and call for certain land use policy reform.  etc. Even tax policy.

 

You guys have all been too well trained by Professor Craig, or the like of him, on your definions. I probably think less, BA, of "limousine liberals" than you do as I have too many of them in my various circles of existenceand they are as bad as presumed to be self made beneificiaries of crony capitlaism. In terms of what real use they bring to the table as for moving us forward and out of abyss they are shook out of the same sack, and are motivated by the same desires. 

 

This started as a discussion of Stossel"s seemingly well framed suggestion that more ownership would be a good thing. I agreed and noted that is also an aim of legitimate and genuine progressive policy. You turned it on it's head with a rant about the welfare state.

Veteran Contributor

Re: I'm sick and tired of reading about "rich" Americans

I wonder just who it is that is considered "rich" these days.  It depends on who is talking about the rich.  Someone who is drawing welfare checks would look at most of us as rich.  The government seems to think anyone making over $250K is rich.  My wife and I have made close to that a year or two but it sure didn't feel rich with three kids in three different colleges, two in post graduate school.

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Re: I'm sick and tired of reading about "rich" Americans

Just as an aside. My policy of tiling rented ground, is something I am proud of, because it changed the way the renters approached and dealt with the landlords, in our community. It's the right, and fair thing to do.

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Re: Yeah, I like you too John

I'm sure I'm not orbiting in your plane, I'm down here facing reality below the smoke and mirrors.  I  believe the convoluted tax system should not exist, the convoluted tax system is all about graft, preferential treatment bought and sold in DC.   It is the hallmark of Statism, central planning, fascism.  

 

  Look at your words, you have a good deal going, you get a little piece of the pork, the loot, that hooks you on government control.   ---what's good for you is good for the USA, I bet some around here believe it's the wish of their gods.  It has production agriculture dancing to the tune coming from DC, and control of DC is bought and sold every two years, foreign nations take part.  What defense does that leave Liberty?   It is an environment ripe for plunder and exploitation, cloaked in political intrigue and "classified information".

 

  I think the tax system is a failure because it allows those who receive the most benefit to pass on their share of the obligation to those without the power to stop them.  Taxation is robbery, is it not, then rob the rich, it's like the bank robber said, "It's were the money is.  So, you can say I agree with Don.

 

  I don't want to play nor like the game you guys are deciding the rules for, but If you're passing out tax relief, then don't tax the first 150k, that will put more money in circulation than giving it to the indulgent spoiled fat cats.   Make General Bullmoose pay the biggest share and government will start shrinking  Of course the crooks who want to steer business their way, won't be able to steer business their way with tax relief to those no longer paying tax.  

 

  In a honest free market environment they would spend their money on improving their product and advertising and honest business practices win return business, the honest way, instead of investing their ill got gains back into the DC casino.   Crooked money creates crime, not commerce. 

 

     The problem is too much government, we can't afford it and borrowing without paying it off has been the greatest transfer of wealth since the barbarian horde's rape and pillage tours of the last dark age.

 

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Re: I'm sick and tired of reading about "rich" Americans

That`s what I hate about farming today GTO, all those tricks and crookedness. Your landlord was lucky that you had a tile-plow and would do that for them. In other areas of renting like houses, the landlord furnishes the repairs or replacement of the furnace, shingles, waterheater and stuff, so by rights way a landlord who wants top dollar rent should furnish a well drained farm. My experience with renting out farmhouses has been you`re better off taking a bulldozer and match to it right away. The day you start getting out of the red, the tenant wants to paint or the furnace goes kaput and if God forbid the house caught on fire they`d figure someway to drag you into court. When I have to rent out farmland I`ll tell the tenant "One year at a time! If it needs more or fixed tile, you tell me and my tiler what you want and I`ll handle it!" As much competition as there is for land to rent , it brings out the worst in people, Republican or Democrat.  

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Re: So what? sounds like you are jealous

I could give a rip what another farmer buys to help him farm . It really is none of my business. I suggest you follow the same. And quit trying to tax the hell out of us serfs king kraft.

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Yes

Don, even Ron Paul would`ve had to run deficits the past 2 yrs, albeit nowhere near Obama`s. The thing with our budget is anywhere one cuts or raises taxes, it will either cause a drop in revenue or a rise in unemployment or both. The point I`ve been trying to make is, it doesn`t matter what`s worked in the past, we`re in uncharted waters. You want, use a sailboat analogy, on a windy day you`ll go fast for miles. If you hit the doldrums with no wind, no matter how you trim the sails, you`re just lucky to not drift backwards.   

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Re: Yeah, I like you too John

Well, I guess you have spoken. For that, I thank you. Cannot really go further, though, as what you suggest will never happen without a new form of government. Too many of us are locked in the endless morass of fast tax depreciation, putting income into the next calendar year, other codes to ever reverse the way we do business. And all the tax lawyers and lawmakers in DC will be sure it won't change.

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Re: Who really has the money interesting read

Do you really beleive that progressivism is about improving the state of those they proclaim to want to help?  If so it is you that has been well trained by the powers that be and are a lamb of the flock.  Truly helping people would not entail keeping them dependent in perpetuity as the current system is doing.  I'm dissappointed you cannot see how the welfare state has not helped solve any problems of those less fortunate, race has nothing to do with it,but you keep liking to group everyone into a box and not treat them as individuals, thus the racist overture of your statements about all global warming deniers as religious zealots or the like. 

 

Stossel has some very good ideas about what the role of government should be and it should not be in the business of keeping people enslaved to the government, no matter what race they are.

 

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