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If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

If Democrats are suddenly concerned about debt why don't they rein in spending?  Congress creates the budget.  (just a reminder)

 

Why more welfare spending when; wages have increased, minimum wage has increased, unemployment is at a RECORD low, food stamp use is down.  

 

Now seems the perfect time to quit expanding a welfare state, IF you are serious about reducing the debt.

 

 

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Veteran Advisor

Re: If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

Yes, true Kurt, congress sets the budget....and who
Has been in charge of Congress the past few years ?
Senior Contributor

Re: If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

And of course get rid of the socialist payments to farmers so they are right on the front line of the trade war not hiding behind all the other tax payers.

Senior Advisor

Re: If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

If congress fails to pass a budget, their #1 priority, they should not be paid. If they fail to pass a budget the following year they should be held in contempt. They should be immediately fired and new elections held with in 60 days.

Veteran Advisor

Re: If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

Not defending necessarily, yet there are some big differences.  Consumers (which also includes farmer) have choices, to buy or not to buy, what brand and where made -- and the sellers of those products set the prices.  Farmers sell grain, can't just keep it forever, and while they have some timing and market flexibility, they are basically taking what is offered, not setting the grain prices -- there's no denying the impact we've seen on grain prices, especially soybeans.  So, farmers are on both sides of your equation, as consumers like everyone else, and as producers of grains being sold into the market.

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Re: If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

And farmers have the ability to grow something other than soybeans or corn.

The market is telling them to change and the government is telling them to do the same old thing and socialist payments will make up the difference.

Maybe the tax payers in the city would like the opportunity to not have to pay farmers, who are for the most part very rich.

Veteran Advisor

Re: If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

Yes, we can grow something else, yet the particulars of raising a different crop, and especially of marketing it might be quite different.  If the tariff situation is a short-term problem, then why would we make major changes?  If a different crop requires a different set of skills to produce, perhaps different equipment, and likely a different market (perhaps even a market that needs to be developed), then why would we make all these changes to confront a short-term problem with tariffs?  Most significant changes in crops will take a full production year to have any impact, some will take 4-5 or more full years to reach a marketable production level or have any impact.  Again, why would we undertake such drastic action to combat a short-term problem?

 

Plus, if farmers are rich like you say, then obviously we've been paying taxes also (income, real estate, personal property, sales, fuel, etc) -- maybe taxpayers in the rural areas don't like supporting the city streets/highways, inner-city poor, hospitals, etc.? -- maybe the city folks aren't paying farmers so much as the farmers are just getting some of their tax money back?

 

This tariff situation is not the same as all that -- our markets were significantly and specifically altered by the actions of our government and the Chinese government.  They did direct harm to our markets, directly impacting our prices, which we do not control.  As farmers, we are a casualty because of the markets we have worked/paid to develop to sell/export to the Chinese, sales upon which the Chinese have imposed tariffs.  As Americans, we are just as much a casualty as anyone else due to the tariffs imposed by our government on purchases/imports from the Chinese.  Farmers, therefore, are harmed on both sides of the equation.

Senior Contributor

Re: If Democrats suddenly are concerned debt

The cabal targets our national food supply and Canuck tries to argue it's about socialists payments.

Let me guess, the military is socialism as well. Lolololololol.

But keep crying foreigner....the more you cry, the better I feel.
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But why do farmers, many who are millionaires with many assets, get socialist payments from the government while a consumer working a low paid job with no assets has to pay $100 more for a washing machine now that tariffs have increased their price?

And then the poor consumer has to pay more tax to cover the socialist payment to rich farmers.

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(But why do farmers, many who are millionaires with many assets, get socialist payments from the government while a consumer working a low paid job with no assets has to pay $100 more for a washing machine now that tariffs have increased their price?

And then the poor consumer has to pay more tax to cover the socialist payment to rich farmers.)

 

Who are these consumer's that aren't allowed to get in the farming profession?  There is a lot of M&E for sale, there is a lot of farm land for sale, livestock for sale; there is a lot of land available to be the highest bid renter of.  

Anyone can be a "rich" farmer and receive these socialist payments, please let us know who these people are that are not allowed to farm and then receive these payments? 

Don't whine & complain, get in the farming game.