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Canuck_2
Senior Contributor

Re: If young children ask

Completely agree with what?

That all those elected were fraudulently elected or that you just choose which parts to believe were fraudulent.

there are 2 options there and they can not both be correct unless you are choosing to just believe that all elections were fraudulent 

 

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: If young children ask

There is opportunity for fraud anytime the voting laws are not followed or are arbitrarily changed just before an election. That is why chain of custody, signature match, and post marks are important and must be enforced.

Two question Canuck

1) Does Canada have any election laws?

2) If so are they enforced?

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: If young children ask

The main voter fraud isn`t some single "George Floyd" looking clown sneaking in and voting twice for Biden....yeah yeah yeah that happened 16 times or whatever the hell Nox says.  The real fraud is the Biden ballots coming in by the TRUCKLOAD at 3am when the steal was in full swing and poll watchers couldn`t observe because of a "bursted waterpipe.

https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2020/12/08/witness-pa-election-fraud-suit-ghost-hunter-long-criminal-...

On Nov. 20, Jesse Richard Morgan sat down with an investigator looking into allegations of voter fraud and gave a lengthy sworn statement in which Morgan, a contract truck driver for the U.S. Postal Service, said he believed he had hauled thousands of mail-in ballots from New York to Pennsylvania in October. 

The 28-page sworn affidavit is confusing at times, but the story Morgan tells is that someone at the postal distribution center in Bethpage, on Long Island, told him that he was hauling mail-in ballots to Harrisburg and Lancaster postal distribution centers. 

His statement is attached to a lawsuit filed by several Pennsylvania state representatives, led by Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, a Butler County Republican, asking the Commonwealth Court to throw out the results of the 2020 presidential election and alleging that the state’s administration of the election was “so severely flawed it is impossible to certify the accuracy of the purported results.” 

Jesse Morgan, a truck driver from York, Pa., is seen in this screenshot of a YouTube video of a news conference in Arlington, Va. at which Morgan said he trucked thousands of completed ballots from New York to Pennsylvania in October. He has signed an affidavit in a lawsuit by several GOP Pa. legislators seeking to stop certification of Pennsylvania's election results.
 

The suit contains some of the same assertions and unproven theories that other courts have rejected because they are not based on evidence. 

The suit also claims that the election was rife with fraud, claiming that some 200,000 mail-in ballots were shipped in from out of state, even though, in his statement, Morgan put the number at between 250 and 7,500. 

The suit, though, cites Morgan’s statement as evidence of widespread fraud. State elections officials have dismissed that assertion, saying that safeguards built into the system — including identification requirements in the application process for absentee ballots and barcodes on envelopes to prevent ballots from being cast twice — make it impossible for anyone to inject tens or hundreds of thousands of ballots into the system.   

rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: Morgan's statement, so what's your point?

  Right up front, "he was told ....."?  He doesn't have direct knowledge,  did he see the ballots?  Otherwise, that's just hearsay.

  Next, let's suppose they were mail-in ballots, where did they come from, were they collected from several states, where they going to, were they going to be redistributed to several states?  Without some additional knowledge about how the Postal Service handles the mail in general and ballots in particular, it doesn't tell you very much.

  I can see why a judge or judges didn't give much credence to his statement back then and the republicans have had six months to get some answers but obviously haven't bothered.

  Meanwhile, the Cyber Ninjas' watermark theory in Arizona has gone the way of the bamboo fibers.

Just a bunch of cockamamy accept for the damages it does to voter confidence.  The republicans will have a heavy price to pay for this crap.

rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: "Who's being denied the right to vote"? The answer is ....

"Who's being denied the right to vote"? The answer is self-evident,  Everyone who legally voted by whatever legal means in 2020 and who will be unable to vote in 2022 or 2024 because of changes to the election procedures.   A hundred and fifty-some million Americans cast ballots in 2020, twenty million more than in 2016, thanks to the widespread use of mail-in ballots, and extended early voting.  And no evidence has been presented that any of those voters didn't have the right to vote.  In fact,  we know that another fifty million perfectly eligible people didn't vote for one reason or another.  

  What was the lesson of 2020, simple, that under the previous election protocol, it's difficult for a significant number of people to vote, either through work schedules, family obligations, or access to polling places.  The lesson is no different than what we're finding for why many people aren't getting vaccinated.  Surveys show that significant numbers of people, especially minorities want to get vaccinated but lack the opportunity to.  What's the answer?  Make it easier, hold mobile clinics in minority neighborhoods, pay Uber & Lyft drivers to bring them to the clinics, allow walk-ins.

  Like I said, "it's self-evident."

  

rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: It doesn't take any imagination to ....

It doesn't take any imagination to understand all these republican legislatures' motivations to restrict voter access.  All you have to do is look at the trends.  The republican party is fast becoming a minority party, so to be incapable of winning general and statewide elections.  The Senate runoff in Georgia is a case in point.  The republicans in Georgia can win in their heavily gerrymandered districts but they can no longer win statewide, they just can't.

  The only way they can win is to suppress the minority vote and that's exactly what they're doing with their election law restrictions.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Morgan's statement, so what's your point?

No one is saying that the truckdriver`s sworn statement in of itself is proof of fraud in the 2020 election, however it is more than enough proof of the need for an investigation.  And the truckdriver`s sworn statement is just one of a number of such claims.  If these people are lying in those sworn testimonies, they could be looking at jail time, the Left apparently isn`t looking for that low hanging fruit to actually debunk Trump`s assertions.

rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: "Debunk trump's statement"?

Once again,  in law and rhetoric, "an assertion made without evidence can be refuted without evidence".   Trump and his people have repeatedly made assertions without providing any real evidence, as such their assertions can be dismissed without requiring any evidence.

    That's how the law works, just grow up, will you!

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: "Debunk trump's statement"?

A truckdriver who`s contracted by the Post Office gives a sworn statement, that is evidence not to convict, but to investigate.  

A store owner calls the police saying he was robbed, the police investigate and if the shop owner filed a false police report, then it`s they who`ve opened themselves to legal trouble.  

In the case of election fraud no one wants to investigate, even though if proven false it would be a feather in the cap of those that claim it doesn`t exist....except of course "Russia Russia Russia!!!" in 2016 when Schiff-for-brains broke the Guiness Book of World Records for saying "whistleblower" a nauseating number of times. 

rsbs
Veteran Advisor

let's get real here

one side wants to ensure that millions of unaudited or verified votes continue to be cast while the other side wants a minimum of picture ID and a ballot trail.

Which side wants a secure and accurate vote?

"voter suppression" is another one of the leftist phrases to obscure what is really going on. And it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

Actually pretty sickening to read about on this weekend above all others.