Intrusive government and thank goodness for Farm Bureau

[r3020]

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@bruce MN wrote:

So then, you are saying that somewhere in that trove of documents released by Wikileaks that there is definitife and reliable information that the claims made by the Bush administration and Ahmed Chalbi and the Blair government and we had to wait to hear it from you here at an obscure farmers talk site?

Have you alerted the NY Times...their reporter Judy Miller would sure like to be vindicated. Or FOX News? They'd dovote hours for days putting Karl Rove on front of a camera telling the world "See. We told you so!".

Were did you pick up on it?

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Bruce, they reported on it. May be you forgot or may be you just missed it. Wikileaks just brought it back to the forefront. If a person didn't know better you would think George W Bush is behind wikileaks. It has reaffirmed everything he said.

snip-@A September 2004 New York Times op-ed by the former head of Saddam’s nuclear research program supported this, as well. He wrote:

"[T]he West never understood the delusional nature of Saddam Hussein’s mind . . . he lived in a fantasy world . . . .  giving lunatic orders . . . he kept the country’s Atomic Energy Commission alive . . . Saddam fooled  . . .  the world . . . . [O]ur nuclear program could have been reinstituted at the snap of Saddam Hussein’s fingers."
 
Of note too is a January 2004 revelation by Syrian journalist defector Nizar Nayuf. He reported there were three locations in Syria where Iraqi WMDs had been transported prior to the 2003 invasion and were being stored. He also revealed some of these sites were being built with North Korean cooperation. This explained why three years later Israel attacked a nuclear facility being built in Syria by Pyongyang — and Syria’s subsequent failure to criticize Israel for fear of drawing further international attention to what Damascus had been doing.

Five years after Joe Wilson’s op-ed claimed no yellowcake was sold to Iraq — the ease with which Saddam could have snapped his fingers and reinstituted his nuclear program became apparent. In July 2008, in an operation kept secret at the time, 37 military air cargo flights shipped more than 500 metric tons of yellowcake — found in Iraq — out of the country for further transport and remediation to Canada.
 
The U.S. government is committed to efforts to make the world a safer place by seeking the removal of WMD threats. One would think a press undermining that effort at the time under the guise of freedom of the press would feel an obligation to accurately report the success of such a governmental effort. This should especially be the case after those same media contributed to the false perception Saddam possessed no WMD capability and, therefore, never really posed a serious threat.
 
As evidenced by the WikiLeaks disclosures, apparently no such obligation is felt.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40978

[bruce MN]

Humanevents.WND...whatever. Same bunch of wingers.

The amazing stuff they found on Wikileaks is like alot of what was found on them...old recycled idealogically generated "information" that couldn't be substantiated at the time and still can't. But it's there...in print...so it becomes beholden to the winger factions to keep it supplied with oxygen.

500M tons went into Canada and up until you and Humanevents spilled the beans nobody knew. And most particularily those who would want to be vindicating the Bush administration not making a huge deal out of these vindicating revelations. That's really weird. I doubt that they've given up so easily. The rest of the idiot right is inspired to high heaven today after having, in their minds, taken the government back somehow with control by a segment of the majority party in one of 2 houses of Congress. You'd think that would  encouurage and inspire somebody to disseminate these truths. 

Oh...printing an op-ed by a buearaucrat from another nation doesn't constitute the "reporting" of anything. And BTW...gotta give you props... you DO have the jargon and lexicon down. If farming gets though you just might be able to get a job writing for one of those rags.

[dagwud]

While I agree you are not very open to discussion Don, that is not what I mean when refering to blinders.  What I'm refering to is someone who will blindly follow a political party and always ignore or fail to see any of the faults or wrong committed by their party.  There are several on this site that seem to believe that there party of choose is always right and has all the answers while the opposing party is always wrong and always the corrupt party.  You however take it a notch higher by constantly defending even the most egregious wrongs with in your party.  I can't recall a single time you have not defended the bad apples in your party.  Unlike you I see bad apples in both parties all the time and have often pointed them out.

If you truly believe all your Dems caved on the tax cuts simply because they were worried about not getting unemployment benefits extended then you sir are extremely guilible.  If you recall the cave by Dems over the tax cuts came less then two months after voters decided to removed Dems from office in record numbers.    This while the Tea Party movement surprised everyone with their clout and strong anti tax message.  But I'm sure you're right that all those Dems never once thought about their own political careers as they tumbled like rows of dice stacked on end.

It is not heard to guess what motivates most Dems as well as most Repubs.  It is called personal survival, greed and plain old protecting ones own butt all though I'm sure you only see that as a problem with Repubs and not your pure and enlightened Dems. 

I try to be polite Don but you seem to like to poke and prod at me quite often and therefore doubt I would have any reservations calling you a hypocrit to your face if the need arose.  I recall from our one personal meeting at your farm auction, you are a larger man then I but I have the advantage of youth or should I say midlle age.   I have never been a big fighter but have always been able to handle my own if they need arose.  Plus I'm still quick on my feet so I can't say I feel threatened if that was intention.

Bruce and r3020, here is a little more on the Iraq yellow cake to Canada.  As is often the case there is a little more to the story.

[r3020]

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@bruce MN wrote:

Humanevetns.WND...whatever. Same bunch of wingers.

The amazing stuff they found on Wikileaks is like alot of what was found on them...old recycled idealogically generated "information" that couldn't be substantiated at the time and still can't. But i'ts there...in print...so it becomes beholden to the winger factions to keep it supplied with oxygen.

500M tons went into Canada and up until you and Humanevents spilled the beans nobody knew. And most particularily those who would want to be vindicating the Bush administration not making a huge deal out of these vindicating revelations. That's really weird. I doubt that they've given up so easily. The rest of the idiot right is inspired to high heaven today after having, in their minds, taken the government back somehow with control by a segment of the majority party in one of 2 houses of Congress. You'd think that would  encouurage and inspire somebody to disseminate these truths. 

Oh...priting an op-ed by a buearaucrat from another nation doesn't contitute teh "reporting" of anything. And BTW...gotta give you props... you DO have the jargon and lexicon down. If farming gets though you just might be able to get a job writing for one of those rags.

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Here's the guy who wrote the article Bruce.

Lieutenant Colonel James Zumwalt is a retired Marine infantry officer who served in the Vietnam war, the 1989 intervention into Panama and Desert Storm. An author, speaker and business executive, he also currently heads a security consulting firm named after his father -- Admiral Zumwalt & Consultants, Inc. He has also been cited in numerous other books and publications for unique insights based on his research on the Vietnam war, North Korea (a country he has visited ten times and about which he is able to share some very telling observations) and Desert Storm.

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And Dag, it is old news. Snopes runs the MSNBC's AP story almost word for word.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/