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Kraftedbydemocrats
Senior Contributor

Re: Interesting

Finally you understand, took you a while but glad you made it. Now, do the same thing with the federal budget. Cut every line.

tomtoolbag
Veteran Advisor

Re: So BA

  BA, to your credit, you have never claimed that you are clever. I'm guessing that another outbreak of herpes has you distracted and has clouded your thought process, because you wouldn't have put your "friend" Rush's moronic theory here for proof of how flawed republican economic ideas are.

  $700-$900 billion, really???????

 

  It's Friday, so I'll give you a Mulligan. Try again.

Red Steele
Senior Contributor

Re: Just for the record

Do you really believe the Krappt that you post and that your acolytes kudo here? That it really doesn't matter if private individuals make their economic decisions, or if an all-knowing government makes the decisions for them, ie through government health care? You really believe that the bottom line expense will end up being the same? What we needed to reform healthcare in America was less government involvement, and more free enterprise.

The republicans were on to a good idea ....controlling costs by having healthcare subject to the same free market forces that would lead a stingy old Iowa farmer to search out the best deal for his own health expenses, even if it entailed going to a dentist in Mexico. Health Savings Accounts were a great idea, and one that will undoubtably disappear with the advent of universal health insurance plans.From what I have read of the new Obamacare, it is long on government involvmenet, and short on free market reforms.

Life will always be full of the have and the havenots, and any economic system works best by having the have-nots aspire to someday be in the "have" encampment.   Greed and envy are powerful economic forces. The USA could afford to have a safety net indigent care policy in place, which I believe we already did have, but cannot affort a cradle to grave government subsidized (ie, paid for by  the current or future taxpayers) type of plan, purporting to give out unlimited healthcare. We need to keep compassion in our policies, but we cannot promise all things to all Americans just like we cannot promise all things to the world.

Rationing will always occur, and the fairest way is to ration  by price, just like any other precious thing in life. The American system, of giving equal opportunity to everyone to make a fortune, has been a good one. Too bad we now lack a bonafide American president, and from many of the posts here, we also seem to lack enough true Americans. I think most of our liberal bretheren would be more at home in a Soviet state, than in America. At least the America that I grew up believing in.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Just for the record

Do you think that the so called "Obamacare" is going to have a higher total cost than the total cost right now?  I don't.  I think it will be higher for some but much less for millions of others.

dagwud
Senior Contributor

Re: Interesting

Don, I'm betting you voted for Culver for governor.  What did he do when faced with massive deficits?   He cut all state spending by 10% across the board.  I have not heard you complain about it one time.  However if it had been done by a Repub I'm certain you would whine about Repubs cutting education and other social programs.   Since Culver's 10% cuts the state is still functioning.  Our schools are still open.  The roads are still open.  We still have police and fire protection.  

 

You expect a farmer with no inside knowledge or experience in Washington to know just where it is best to make budget cuts.   Perhaps you can tell us what great harm will fall upon us if spending cuts were made?  Do you really think our massive government spending can not be cut at all?  Do you really think our $13 trillion deficit is best eliminated by only raising taxes?

 

Most experts agree we need to control spending yet your answer is always to simply raise taxes.    If you were still farming and had a bad couple of years in row would you not trim spending a bit.  Maybe not purchase a new or newer combine or tractor as you had planned?  Maybe not remodel the house or take an expensive vacation that year as you had hoped?  Perhaps hold off on buying that new planter for a year or so?  Or would you just simply go to the bank and tell them you need more money as you plan to keep spending like you would in good times?

Kraftedbydemocrats
Senior Contributor

Re: Interesting

Dag, again you hit the nail on the head. Don lives his life differently than the way he votes. He will spend the federal governments money, ( which is not their money) like there is no tomorrow because his money makes up a very very small portion of the pie.

tomtoolbag
Veteran Advisor

Re: Interesting

  dagwud, so I take it that you're going to vote for Culver since he cut spending and your agreement of and belief in that by what you post here regularly????

Re: Just for the record

We use an hsa, saves us bunches.  As I understand it they are going away.. 

acfarmer
Veteran Contributor

Re: Interesting

I agree. And that is what is wrong with washington. If they would treat taxpayers money like it was there own they would spend less and get us out of debt.  MHO, raise taxes and cut spending and get us out of debt.

bruce MN
Veteran Advisor

Re: Just for the record