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GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Keystone looks to be dead

All this is, is a politcal exercise the Republicans think they can get some traction on against the President. What they don't know, is with their approval rating, it's only showing who's paying their bills, the oil companys. It's assinine and stupid.

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Okay time to inject some common sense

I seem to recall an issue with some blow-out preventers! The whole thing is assinine and ignorant.

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Keystone looks to be dead


@4wd wrote:
If those tar sands are so great, why doesn't Canada build refineries on or near them and refine the stuff right in Canada, thus employing all those canucks in good jobs. and truckers with tankers dispatched to all points south.

Who cares. They offered the jobs to the US and Obama is shipping them over seas and then complains a do nothing congress killed his jobs bill. The only jobs Obama is interested in creating is high paying GOVERNMENT jobs, all of which is paid for from an ever shrinking tax base.

Papa Wheelie
Senior Contributor

Re: Words from a former Nebraska Weed Commissioner

No argument from me. Awaiting the Captain to retake the southern territory on my west.

 

We have over capacity in the US says the oil industry. So plants need to shut. The ones shutting must use a more costly crude. 

 

The ill-advised route, the companies history of careless and wreckless operations of Keystone convinced Nebraskans the price they would ultimately pay was too high.

 

 

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Okay time to inject some common sense

GTO all the rich housewives on my gravel road actually pay to have oil drumped on the road to keep the dust down. Smiley Happy

4wd
Senior Contributor

Re: Okay time to inject some common sense

Well GTO, I don't think the science behind pipeline safety is asinine, I think it is good science and necessary to develope foolproof devices and gate valves with flow preventers. But whether these devices are applicable and servicable by the ordinary pipeline oriented folks on the job, or needs installed and serviced by specialists in engineering and materials is my question. Maybe the science is technically ahead of the skill levels in the field trying to apply it.Which if so, leaves us civilians exposed to damage to our businesses that use the environment to grow crops and feed animals.
BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Okay time to inject some common sense

4WD, I`m not a oil pumpin` expert, but why aren`t experts sought out and this could be discussed publicly as to what levels of safety would be affordable, a simple gate valve placed every 2 miles? I don`t know? ..Instead of the Administration saying that Keystone is dead on arrival, just because...makes no sense.   We`ve had the Alaskan pipeline since the 70`s, has that been safe? If so I`m sure 40 yrs later everything is that much safer.  A pipeline that cuts through farms is very transparent  farmers, hunters, DNR would all be an extra set of eyes on it.  The inspecting actually would be one of the few legitimate jobs for the EPA, put them damned donut dusters to work monitoring a pipeline instead of pissing around about a farmer spreading manure on frozen ground or some such sh!t.  

4wd
Senior Contributor

Re: Keystone looks to be dead

''Who cares. They offered the jobs to the US and Obama is shipping them over seas and then complains a do nothing congress killed his jobs bill. The only jobs Obama is interested in creating is high paying GOVERNMENT jobs, all of which is paid for from an ever shrinking tax base" I care. I would like to see jobs stay here, but this pipeline as proposed did not do that. Only a few hundred part time welders that is it. Yeah, good for the steel cos, but where are these companies? Chinese or Japanese steel? any guarantee it will be US steel? And certainly there is no new refinery down in the gulf in the works to refine the smelly goo. It was going to be pumped into ocean vessels and floated to Europe. How is that providing US jobs? If the adm was serious about providing new energy jobs, they would provide blender pumps everywhere where a fuel customer could chose the blend of cheaper ethanol they mix with their higher priced regular. And, they could provide gov loans to pipeline cos to build an ethanol only pipeline across the mid west, with connecting points and terminals at predetermined points. This would increase demand for ethol, and new ethol plants would spring up everywhere to meet the demand. These would be US jobs.
4wd
Senior Contributor

Re: Okay time to inject some common sense

I cannot argue with you. I just hope Obama's reasons come out as to why he killed the pipeling become public and soon. I think I know why, and for good reasons, but it has never been said by him publicly.
hardnox604008
Advisor

Re: Keystone looks to be dead

I don't think the risks of environmental damage from the pipeline are that great, at least for a good many years. New pipe, state of the art technology. Heck, there are old pipelines crisscrossing everywhere which is an existing and real problem.

 

The oilsands are going to get developed at a breakneck speed as long as crude is over $60/bbl or so which looks like forever, for the most part. Either the oil goes to China or it goes here- or it goes here by rail.

 

There are people who think that stopping the pipeline will slow down development of the oilsands and I just don't think it does to any great degree.

 

Central Indiana has a ton of groundwater- the Teays River aquifer is a few miles from me. Really wouldn't bother me to route it through here.