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Veteran Advisor

Re: Krugman: Free to Die

Gore, Krugman, and Obama...Nobel Laureates.

 

I went to a college founded by Swedish Immigrants and every year they have this "Nobel Conference" where they try to entice as many Nobel prize winners as possible to attend, and give a speech if possible.

 

I never attended any of these conferences and I guess I now do not feel like I missed anything.

 

Three empty suits.

 

Krugman has to be  the most irritating of the three and is almost smart enough to be dangerous. Not every American is circumspect enough to be able to read what Krugman  writes and understand that it is pure , unadulterated crapola.

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Re: Krugman: Free to Die

My point was that Hayek was in favor of a social safety net.

 

And Ayn Rand cashed her SS checks.

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Veteran Advisor

Re: Krugman: Free to Die

Did Ayn Rand pay social security taxes, or was she grandfathered in ? Was she a hypocrite or someone just trying to recover their taxes?

 

And where do you get that conservatives do not want a social safety net?

 

The system has to be one where the ones pulling the cart are treated better than those riding in the cart.

 

And if you do not understand why this is, I suggest you take some time off to figure out human nature.

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Re: Krugman: Free to Die

Then you're going to have to be honest about what Hayek said, which Krugo distorts and selects carefully as is his MO. Hayek said social safety nets should cover events that a person can not expect or plan for. Does that sound like old age to you? http://community.agriculture.com/t5/Ag-Forum/Krugman-Free-to-Die/m-p/117217#M35444

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Re: Krugman: Free to Die

I drove down to one of those in the mid 80s after seeing the agenda in the paper. Richard Leakey the archeologist, author Irving Stone and Stephen Jay Gould (historian/scientist).

 

Exhilirating. Just looked it up...it was 1982. If you were there at the time you missed out on something, Wasn't political or idealogical. Just danged interesting and informative.

 

By having attended once, I still get the brochure so I'm familiar with what they cover from year to year.  Never seems to be too controversail.

 

Couple of our neighbor kids go there now. Good school.

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Honored Advisor

Re: Krugman: Free to Die

That is a mild pet peeve of mine liberals that call someone a "hypocrite" just because we are all in the same boat and have play the rules set forth. Farm subsidies are another example of that, the liberals have set up the perfect perpetual motion machine of socialism.  To even survive you need to play the dirty game and that dirty game is kept in place by calling those who want to improve it "Hyocrites".  Under those rules the only one qualified to criticise the dirty game is Jesus Christ and the liberals would quickly nail him to a cross, just as they did nearly 2000 yrs ago.  I so love to smoke my peach Swisher Sweets, they`ll kill ya, you shouldn`t do it, am I a hypocrite to keep puffing away?  A overweight doctor tells someone to lose weight, is he a hypocrite?  No in both cases it`s flawed humans offering good advice to improve the world, I deserve a medal Smiley Very Happy 

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Senior Advisor

Re: Krugman: Free to Die

Does don't tax me enough Warren cash his SS checks?

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Senior Advisor

Re: Krugman: Free to Die

Everyone dies period. However, it can be delayed for a while. Perhaps neglect will speed up the process and won't cost YOU as much.

 

 It's funny that our nation cannot as a whole afford medicare for our people, so our republicans say. Yet there is only two possible outcomes. People pay their own way or don't get care. So in your government downsized medical strategy, do people get less care and is it your version of a public death panel.

 

People in social medicine country worry less that they won't get health care. Neither do they worry about medical bankruptsy. Neither do they worry that their parents, grand parents or children won't get health care. The difference being that it don't bother them is somebody gets care and doesn't pay much for it. They are comfortable in knowing that a united approach to health care financing will cost far less than it does in our free market profit based health care.

 

If your own wallet is your primary concern, you ought to favor single payer. Or if your objective is to deny care to those you don't think deserve it, then you best not vote for it. Petty jealousy shouldn't be wasted hunh?

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Re: Krugman: Free to Die

Quoting BA:

 

"Farm subsidies are another example of that, the liberals have set up the perfect perpetual motion machine of socialism."

 

If farm subsidies had anytihing to do with what they originally did when inititated as a part of the New Deal they'd have been gone long ago. If they were, as originally intended, to keep large numbers of farmers in business and producing genuine growth generating, revolving as it were, production and income streams they'd have been dumped summarily. If it were only about keeping you or me or the man in the moon up and running out of some, actually, either "conservative" or "liberal". altruistic motive you could flatten the brim of your cap back out. Could have long ago.

 

Long about the early 1980s (strange..... that keeps coming up as a benchmark) the farm program was geared to fit into the new model of supply side driven crony capitalism. No differenet than defense, big medicine/insurance/pharma or energy. I'd believe that youd be among the first to admit that any income flow gains that you've ever acheived form programs have craftfully been harvested by a rather minimal handful of agribusiness interests...now even fewer than ever and almost all international in their corporate structure. If pennies are left to be swept up by the citizens and instituions of your local community, mere pennies is what they are in the big picture.

 

Not saying here that there isn't terrrible waste in the way in which govt. services are delivered, and not saying that their isn't fierce redudancy in government regulation and that htere indeed are,oppresive regulatoins in some areas where the irresponsible acts of an iindividual or a handful of individuals or concerns haven't created rules that no decent person or company wouldn't ever need to be regulated under etc.   .......but agriculture, no different than banking, defense, health care....isn't funded and administrated for that sort of reasons. It's to get the money routed to the proper recipients....to supply firewood for the cannibals stew pot.

 

Socialism, as commonly defined, has nothing to do with it. As contemporarily applied, via crony capitalism, it vaguely does.

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Senior Advisor

Re: Krugman: Free to Die

The Brits are satisfied with their health care system. That is a more compelling argument than our righties arguing that it it is not a satisfactory system. Those countries are voting to continue single payer almost unanimously. Are you trying to convince us that they are seriously misguided? You gotta have a better argument than that ,Bub!