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hardnox
Advisor

Kunstler's brilliance

Reflected by his long ago comment to the effect that we now have a Mommy Party and a Daddy Party.

 

Current Quinnipiac Trump/Clinton poll surprisingly close in 3 key swing states FLA, PA, OH. The thing that I'll admit surprised me was that the gender gap of females toward Clinton was nearly matched by Trump for men.

 

As the NC commentator quipped, it should be good for divorce lawyers. With a net disparity as high as 26% there are going to be some domestic fireworks as this things gets white hot.

 

For better or worse, more evidence that this thing is going to be fought over tribal identity and in the limbic lizard brain.

 

Which you have to admit, favors Trump- the master of that.

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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

It will be interesting, the polls us peons see and the polls the political elite see are 2 different sets, I believe.  Biden was on tv kind of regretting that he wasn`t in this race, though i can`t stand him, many more Dems would crawl over broken glass to vote for him, that won`t for Hillary.

 

Hillary may very well lose this to Trump for you guys.  Hillary has a "woman problem" ..I think worse than Trump.  I`ve seen it, I`ve lived it in office politics where women hate the "queen bee" and Hillary is the quintessential queen bee...queen "bee-eye-itch" that is and women hate admitting it almost as much as they hate women like that.  Will that translate into less votes for Hillary, that is what will be interesting when the dust settles. 

 

Trump is labled as a bad boy, "misogynistic" type...well yeah, just like almost everyone of those women`s daddies, whom they all loved dearly.   Trump is the Fonz, the guy that men want to be and all the women want...there`s a reason guys like Trump got all the chicks in high school...and life is really just an extention of high school.  

 

Women go out of their way to be nice to black guys, gay guys and the bad boys, so this presidential race is a bad boy against a queen bee ...we will see.

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

I tend to agree that if Trump and Clinton emerge from the conventions with the nominations in hand, that we

will be listening to President Trump deliver the inauguration addresss early in 2017.

 

People just don't like Hillary Clinton, and I don't see her winning a national election as her competency is also

a huge question mark. People might dislike Trump, but he has proved to be a winner and people love a winner.

 

I would imagine that the Dem's are reading the tea leaves right now and wondering if they can Wellstone Hillary

out of the race and replace her with Slow Joe to get their base fired up. Republicans seem to be warming up

to the Trump candidacy....Even little Marco Rubio says now he will support the Donald.

RJG640v8
Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

better Trump than Cruz/rubio/Walker/...

 

It will be like the movie, The Truman Show, come to life.  Every other show on TV is a "reality" show, might as well get to it with the POTUS.

Donald is the perfect narcissist for the role.

 

Heck of a world we live in, a guy can be considered a tremendous success after three marriages and four bankruptcies...

 

and the sheep keep bleating.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

The liberals are spinning all kinds of crap like Rachael Madcow saing "Trump is less popular than head lice".  To be that deserate and ridiculous this late in the game.  i think slow Joe is literally saying "WTF??? Why didn`t I get in??"   Hillary is going to lose this for the Dems and for the only reason was "it was her turn".

hardnox
Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

I think Bruce's link had the better movie analogy- Idiocracy.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

 

"The film tells the story of two people who take part in a top-secret military hibernation experiment, only to awaken 500 years later in a dystopian society where advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism have run rampant and that is devoid of intellectual curiosity, social responsibility, and coherent notions of justice and human rights."

 

I do tend to agree with you though. As extreme as discourse became in the GOP primary, even Kasich and a republican congress scared me.

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

Nox, what exactly is it that you scared of? What is that near and dear to you that

the republicans are going to "take" from you?

 

Republcians, for the most part, just want to roll back the clock 30 years or so and

reverse what the fruitcakes call "progress"... Adam marrying Steve, $20 trillion of

govt debt, legaized drugs, open borders, etc.

 

Are these issues all that important to you personally?

RJG640v8
Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

Correct you are, Nox................... that is a perfect reflection of the current political and societal climate. 

hardnox
Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

First, you contributed greatly to the $20T in debt and you aren't going to "fix it." What you might do if you go Full Kansas is grow it so fast that it actually becomes an insurmountable problem.

 

I am, in fact, strongly in favor of an end to the war on drugs although the appropriate policies are open to debate and vary by substance. A whole heckuva lot of people getting softer on it on account of a white opioid epidemic vs. that horrible crack that was going to leave us caring for millions of damaged crack babies and produce colored superpredators by the hundreds thousands.

 

FWIW, I did catch on to the bogus and racist nature of that game a long time ago, probably within a year or so of inception in the 80s. The mass incarceration, private prison corporations, criminal justice shakedown game soon followed.

 

My 60 years of observation of humanity has led me to believe that a minority of humans are by their nature homosexually oriented. It actually causes me less problem and costs me less for them to be so in the open and fully a part of society. The trans thing is kind of a tougher one for me simply because it involves a far smaller percentage of people. The principle may be the same, I just haven't observed much of any of it personally as I have in seeing contemporaries, kids from the community and church etc.- and their families- dealing with gay orientation. I kinda wish the trans thing would go a way for a while but in fairness, I was also hoping that gay marriage would just be a bit patient, but apparently the time had come without requiring this old fart's approval.

 

On immigration, there have been many opportunities to improve the situation legislatively but each has been stonewalled by a conservative minority that believes that one illegal alien is two too many.

It is the abortion of the day- no doubt some actually believe strongly but for the most part it is an issue that they hope doesn't get solved because it keeps on giving. Obama has deported a huge number, Trump can build a wall and deport more. Actually won't change much- all that really matters is if there are more white voters who show up at the polls in support of extreme measures vs. legal hispanics and some allies who don't.

 

While we're going Full Kansas maybe we can also go Full Israel.

 

But those aren't the issues that are of the greatest importance to me. What's important is that we don't lose our Republic to a hereditary class of oligarchs.

 

As I've said, trying to pin down El Donaldo's actual policies on anything other than deportations and a wall is like trying to catch a fart with a butterfly net. But as far as the suggestions he's made so far (now perhaps being walked back recently, and who knows?) would accelerate that process.

 

In that case, actually a brilliant triangulation to keep the suckers in the game after all.

 

 

hardnox
Advisor

Re: Kunstler's brilliance

Trump support isn't monolithic but let's take the white blue collar crowd that comprises the base or it.

 

First, I don't 100% buy the bit from the commentariat about how its on account of their declining economic circumstances. It is in part, and that's real, but again I'll cite the poll where working class black folks felt the near polar opposite about their circumstances under Obama as white ones did. In reality they are similar at best but a whole lot of it just how you feel about the world.

 

But here you have the white folks who got totally screwed by the 90s congressional republicans (and Clinton, too, to an extent) but went along with Rush believing it would all be better if The Most Horrible Person in the World went away.

 

That carried through to Gore and Rush et al assured them that GWB was their kinda folks. So we had 9/11 and just by the nature of things that crowd is 100% in for patriotic payback. So they contributed more of their kids to the war effort than any other demographic while the thing was totally mismanaged, we found out it was founded on lies (which many of them can never accept) went through Abu Ghraib and other lesser crimes, nearly lost, threw a surge into both to call them gentleman's ties and then mostly went home to watch them deteriorate further.

 

Concurrently the mortgage crime wave and subsequent crash creates a lot more paupers than it does millionaires and after the crash the Bush/Obama relay focuses on regaining financial stability over any hint of justice (although most of them most definitely didn't want their neighbor to get any relief, and most still haven't).

 

And then you go back to slow growth and once again, Not Our Sort of Folks in the WH.

 

So no wonder they're crazy.