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Veteran Advisor

Last day for the Census 2010!

It has been a rewarding, eye-opening last 8 months.  Never had a clue as to what it takes to count everyone in this great country.  Also never realized that there so many ignorant people in the country either.  People so paranoid and rightwing that they pull guns on 65 year old grandmothers and hitting young ladies because they dared ask how many people lived in the house.  Lots of great people also and that all made it worthwhile.  Definitely a very good office (Mesa) to work in.  Some real high class people.  Of course, the state of the economy is responsible for a lot of that.  Good unemployed people came to work for the census.  Now time to be retired again for awhile.

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Re: Last day for the Census 2010!

oh come on, the most paranoid people are on the left and now you've gone and added to the unemployment figures along with circumventing the purpose and intent of the Constitution.


The $14.5 billion US Census asked your national origin. But it didn't ask if you were a US citizen. An estimated 20 million illegal immigrants were counted as citizens.
The half-million people hired to work on the 2010 Census which cost $14.5 billion, more than three times the 2000 Census. The 2010 census cost about $47 for every man, woman, and child in America.
The Census asked every conceivable question but the obvious one: Are you a citizen?
It asked about everyone who lives in your household, but made no effort to determine citizenship status. (Think of it as don't ask-don't tell.)
It asks if your kids are adopted and whether you have a mortgage; and do you identify yourself as Hispanic (and if so, are you Mexican, Chicano, Puerto Rican, Cuban, etc., etc.), but it never asks about citizenship.
Given the fact that there are tens of millions of illegal aliens in the country (plus, of course, many other people here legally, but not citizens), the significance (and real purpose) is to make sure that as many non-citizens as humanly possible are included -- and are therefore represented in the apportionment of Congress.
The Constitution says the purpose of the census is to properly apportion representation in Congress. Our Congressmen represent the citizens of their states so I had assumed that the census would be counting only citizens. But no, it counts everyone living in the United States, whether they are citizens or not. And that includes illegal aliens.
Of course, illegal aliens might be reluctant to come "out of the shadows" (as they say). So now it made sense why there was such a great effort of ferret everyone out, even if it meant intruding on people's lives. One of the major goals of the census is to include  every non-citizen, including every illegal alien, in the final count.
This means that the census is now deliberately anti-Constitutional. If illegal aliens are counted in California, then California will be sure to get additional seats in Congress (despite the fact that many citizens have been leaving California over the past 10 years). The same is true of other states with large numbers of illegals.
By the same token, other states (like where I live) which have relatively few immigrants are in danger of losing representation. In fact, if California (and some other states) gain, then states like mine must lose. This is the exact opposite of the true (and only Constitutional) purpose of the census.
To appreciate how strong an effect this can have, we just have to consider how many illegal aliens there are in the U.S. The figure is typically given as 12 million, but that's a government/media figure. Before it got swallowed by its competitors (with the government's help), Bear Stearns did a demographic study of the question. They had no ax to grind; they just wanted an honest figure for its bearing on making financial decisions. They concluded -- about 3 years ago -- that conservatively there were 20 million.
I'm all for welcoming immigrants, as long as they come here legally, are willing to work and our economy can accommodate them.
But for more than twenty years, we have been inundated with millions of immigrants whose culture is not only radically different from ours but who have no desire to assimilate. Each year has been like a slow motion reenactment of Jean Raspail's apocalyptic novel, The Camp of the Saints. (This is true of Canada as well. See the recent article by Kevin Michael Grace on
This unending flood is leading to the demographic destruction of America. This process can still be stopped before it is too late, but it seems to me we are close to the tipping point.  
Unfortunately the government wants to continue and even advance this process. This is true of both political parties. I assume the real purpose is either to create the conditions for a merger of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, or else foster the breakup and balkanization of America. Either result would serve the goals of the Illuminati.
In its own modest way, the 2010 Census has been a part of this process. It expended great effort and spent double-digit billions to count and "lock in" the tens of millions of non-citizens who are now in our country. It is counting them so that Congress will soon be apportioned in a way that gives them as much representation as Americans, and in a way that erodes our own representation. It's a form of de facto merger, de facto "immigration reform."

Veteran Advisor

Re: Last day for the Census 2010!

Oh, come on.  Our beloved Constitution mandates that EVERY person living in these United States be counted.  Yes there were 10 questions and NONE of them was an invasion of your privacy.  It did ask if you owned, rented or had a mortgage but did not ask the amount of anything.  The info gathered is used for more than just for representation.  As for the employment, you guys complained and said that the jobs created figured rose because so many were working for the census and now you complain that the unemployment numbers are high because of the census.  That's rich, you get to complain both ways!  You would complain if they hung you with a new rope and while you are at it, why don't you just pee up that rope.  Have a great day.  I will!

Veteran Advisor

Re: Last day for the Census 2010!

Just for you.


In Article 1, Section 2, the Constitution includes the phrase:

[An] Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.

Congress first met in 1789, and the first national census was held in 1790.

There was actually some debate about whether, how, and on what timetable a census should have been held. In early 1790, several members of Congress argued against a census prior to the next election. Some in the Congress, who advocated an immediate census, noted that those who did not want one were the people from states which were generally regarded as being over-represented in the Congress based on the initial figures provided for in the Constitution. Others were concerned about the questions to be asked in the census, while others felt that more questions should be asked to get a better picture of the citizenry.

For example, on February 2, 1790, Samuel Livermore of New Hampshire lamented that the proposed question about profession would be hard for his constituents to answer, since some had three or four professions, depending on the season. Connecticut Representative Theodore Sedgwick, on the same day, wondered why the questions were not extended further — "The state of society could be ascertained, perhaps, in some degree, by observing [the] proportions."

The final bill, Statute 2 of March 1, 1790, provided that census marshals and assistants be appointed. The marshals were directed to:

cause the number of the inhabitants within their respective districts to be taken; omitting in such enumeration Indians not taxed, and distinguishing free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, from all others; distinguishing also the sexes and colours of free persons, and the free males of sixteen years and upwards from those under that age.

The act directed that the names of the heads of families be recorded, the number of white males sixteen and older, the number of white males under sixteen, the number of white females, the number of all other free persons, and the number of slaves. Failure of an assistant marshal to make a return, or to make a false return, was punishable by a $200 fine. Failure of a marshal to do the same was punishable by a fine of up to $800. The questions about profession, and other information Representative Sedgwick spoke of, were not made part of the final census. Census day was set at the first Monday in August, 1790. Failure to cooperate with a marshal or assistant was punishable by a $20 fine.

Today, the controlling law for the U.S. Census is Title 13 of the U.S. Code That law requires that the census be conducted on or about April 1, 1980, and every ten years after that. The returns must be made available within nine months in order to apportion members of the House of Representatives to each of the states. In the intervening years the law requires the Census Bureau to gather statistics about the residents of the United States for use by Congress. The decennial census is provided for at 13 USC 141.

The law states that the count done in 1980 and every ten years thereafter shall be an actual headcount. The count done in the intervening years need not be an actual headcount, but may use statistical sampling methods to get a reasonable approximations of a head count.

There are fines for non-response and for false response as well, though the amount has risen from the 1790's $20. Today failure to respond can result in a $100 fine; providing false answers is a more severe offense, and carries a $500 fine. Recent news reports, however, indicate that punishment for failure to respond is not usually enforced. The controlling section of the Code is 13 USC 221.

Today, all persons are counted as whole persons — the original census counted "other persons" (slaves) as three-fifths persons for the purposes of apportionment. This fractionalization was removed by the 14th Amendment. The Attorney General ruled, in 1940, that there were no longer any Indians in the United States who could be classified as "not taxed." In the Constitution, non-taxed Indians are not counted.

The number of questions in the decennial census has varied widely since the first in 1790, where census takers logged the name, gender, and race or each member of a household, to 2000, where a multi-page form with dozens of questions was sent to one out of every six households. In 2010, the Census Bureau trimmed the questionnaire to just the basics: name, gender, race, and ethnicity or each person, and whether the dwelling was owned, rented, or "occupied without payment of rent." A more detailed list of questions, called the American Community Survey (ACS), is sent to selected households in addition to the shorter headcount forms and in non-decennial years to allow the Bureau to do statistical sampling. According to the Census Bureau, about 3 million households are selected to receive the ACS each year.

The law requires, in the case of both the decennial census and the ACS, that all households that get a form must fill it out in its entirety, under penalty. Generally speaking, the Census Bureau is not interested in levying the fine, and prefers to gather the data. If a survey is not returned, the Census can follow up by phone or with a personal visit. There is, however, the threat of a penalty for non-response. The current penalty is $100 for failure to fill out the census forms.

The authority of the Congress to conduct the census in whatever way it wishes, and thus to require that the forms be filled out is found in the Constitution itself, which notes:

[The Census] shall be made ... in such Manner as [Congress] shall by Law direct.

The Congress is also authorized to ask various questions in the census aside from the basic headcount by virtue of this clause and by virtue of the Necessary and Proper Clause.

Advice to leave the form blank or to fail to fill it in may actually bring more of the government into your life than you want — as noted above, unfiled and incomplete forms will be followed-up upon by actual census workers, either in person or by telephone.