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sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: More susceptible? Granted ...Sam, you need...


@rickgthf wrote:

  Granted there is a difference between susceptibility and vulnerability to severe disease but it's a well-established fact that currently, 90-95% of the people in-hospital with covid are/ were unvaccinated.  It is entirely unreasonable to believe that vaccinated persons are just as susceptible, or more susceptible as the unvaccinated.

    In fact, there is data that says just the opposite: https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/04/fully-vaccinated-half-as-likely-to-catch-delta-co...

   Sam, you need to stop this nonsense, it makes you look crazy or worse evil.  Granted, Delta is not like the original strain of coronavius-19, it's more infectious and more dangerous but current vaccines are still quite effective at preventing infection, serious illness, and death.

  Stop trying to convince your simple-minded friends otherwise.  You're being dishonest.


Rick.

All destroyed by the fact that you are patiently awaiting you moderna booster.

Here is a tip Rick. I've heard if you get a doctor to prescribe it you can get the moderna booster now.

sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: More susceptible? Granted ...Sam, you need...


@bruce MN wrote:

The primary dishonesty is that for her m it has absolutely nothing to do with disease or healthcare. 

Just a feather that floated by and stuck to his balloon.

God only knows what else these people might freely adopt. 

Ask Mark Rich’s family, I guess. 


You sound more and more like a zealot looking for witches Bruce.  No wonder people are calling you guys branch covidians.

Go back and read the primer from 2018 post.  Read the article.   It's not a political article.  Look at the science.  Don't be like the believers who were affraid to look into galileo's telescope.

sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

so I wonder

When they cooked up those numbers did they take into account that many places, like my daughter's university, require weekly testing of the unvax'ed no testing of the vax'ed.

WCMO
Senior Advisor

Re: More susceptible? Granted ...Sam, you need...

Just a farmer thinking out loud --

If the covid vaccines work by either stimulating your cells to produce antibodies, or by providing your cells with the information to produce that same response, then the antibody response depends on either introduction via the vaccine, or via viral infection (and/or some type of an antibody cocktail).  If antibodies are built up by either prior infection or vaccine (or cocktail) responses, then the body can immediately minimize or eliminate the overall impact of a coronavirus infection.  Because adequate antibody responses are not immediate, either vaccinations or effective therapeutics are necessary to fight the infection (and/or it's symptoms) until the body can build up sufficient antibodies in response to the infection.  If antibodies wane over time, that does not mean that the body does not have the ability to fight off a new infection, yet it might take time for the body to regenerate antibodies sufficient to do the job quickly enough to survive, or to avoid hospitalization, etc.  Some are saying that the antibodies produced via natural bodily responses (no vaccination) will last longer and provide better protection for a longer time.  Some are saying vaccinated folks will need booster shots to juice-up antibody production.  In any case, vaccinated or not, prior infection or not, these are not shields to prevent infection, they are methods that stimulate antibody production to fight the infection.   Thus, everyone remains susceptible to infection or re-infection, and therefore, everyone remains a potential carrier and spreader.  The key to overcoming covid likely depends on the effectiveness and availability of proven therapeutics that minimize or eliminate adverse covid symptoms while the body generates adequate antibody reactions to heal itself, either via vaccination (boosters) or natural bodily responses.  The glaring weakness in CDC and HHS directions to medical facilities and practitioners -- effective therapeutics that are affordable and available to all.

rickgthf
Senior Advisor

Re: Effective therapeutics? ButWhatAbout ivermectin?

Effective therapeutics?  Fauci's been saying that for months but saying and doing is two different things.  

sam1wiseone
Senior Contributor

Re: Sammy feels……err..senses your pain

My summer was completely normal Bruce.   Great knothole baseball season, great trips, great fun with friends and family.  Huge 4th of July party.   Falls my favorite season though, bring it on.