Maybe Nox isn`t crazy?

[BA Deere]

   a study says conspiracy theorists aren`t nuts, it`s the conventional believers that without question are angry and hostile. 

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/07/12/313399/conspiracy-theorists-vs-govt-dupes/ 

You`re a good sport Nox and I`m a conspiracy theorist too   🙂

[hardnox]

"In the same issue of ABS, University of Buffalo professor Steven Hoffman adds that anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” - that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.

The extreme irrationality of those who attack “conspiracy theories” has been ably exposed by Communications professors Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State University. In a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion,” they wrote:

“If I call you a conspiracy theorist, it matters little whether you have actually claimed that a conspiracy exists or whether you have simply raised an issue that I would rather avoid… By labeling you, I strategically exclude you from the sphere where public speech, debate, and conflict occur.”

I think the Kevin Ryan letter- which detailed the specs on the WTC steel- made the rounds in 2004. That wasn't in and of itself fully probative of anything but it surely should have made the wheels turn.

I have to say that I was a bit shocked when I'd rather naively discuss that with folks and receive a range of responses from condescension to outright anger. That even goes 100% for people with the technical training and intelligence to understand the implications.

Sorry folks, I didn't make up the melting and heat fatigue points of structural steel, just sayin'.

I guess I've come to see the widespread existence of mass hypnosis as a bit of secondary confirmation.

Even people with very high measured intelligence and competence in some field don't necessarily have good control of their capacity for emotional manipulation. To the contrary, there's probably not a high correlation at all.

[r3020]

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@hardnox wrote:

"In the same issue of ABS, University of Buffalo professor Steven Hoffman adds that anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” - that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.

The extreme irrationality of those who attack “conspiracy theories” has been ably exposed by Communications professors Ginna Husting and Martin Orr of Boise State University. In a 2007 peer-reviewed article entitled “Dangerous Machinery: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ as a Transpersonal Strategy of Exclusion,” they wrote:

“If I call you a conspiracy theorist, it matters little whether you have actually claimed that a conspiracy exists or whether you have simply raised an issue that I would rather avoid… By labeling you, I strategically exclude you from the sphere where public speech, debate, and conflict occur.”

I think the Kevin Ryan letter- which detailed the specs on the WTC steel- made the rounds in 2004. That wasn't in and of itself fully probative of anything but it surely should have made the wheels turn.

I have to say that I was a bit shocked when I'd rather naively discuss that with folks and receive a range of responses from condescension to outright anger. That even goes 100% for people with the technical training and intelligence to understand the implications.

Sorry folks, I didn't make up the melting and heat fatigue points of structural steel, just sayin'.

I guess I've come to see the widespread existence of mass hypnosis as a bit of secondary confirmation.

Even people with very high measured intelligence and competence in some field don't necessarily have good control of their capacity for emotional manipulation. To the contrary, there's probably not a high correlation at all.

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Nox, 2 weeks ago a neighbor's combine caught fire in the field. He got it put out with his extingisher. He was close to his shop and thought he would go in and make sure it was doused good using a water hose. As he was backing up to the shop the combine died. He looked back and there were flames everywhere. He tried to put it out with the hose. The fuel tank is plastic and burned through igniting the tires. The fire then spread to the steel framed shop. The tractor and oil barrels ignited. Long story short it ruined the steel framed shop. Every beam is warped and twisted. Crap happens. No one thought a steel framed shop would be ruined by a fire.

[hardnox]

Confirmation bias.

Did it then fall straight down at near freefall, into its own footprint?

[BA Deere]

With "9/11" could the bldgs been packed with boom that would make them drop suddenly and all involved were Rosicrusians that were sworn to secrecy?  Yes, however in journalism you need "5 Ws and a H"  what`s missing is the "W" of why?    The mental midgets will say "Bush was a idiot and Cheny was running things and did it for his oil buddies"...that story doesn`t float.  It got Democrats elected, but a handfull of people aren`t going to start a war just for high oil prices...that never appeared BTW.

If one believes in a 9/11 conspiracy the only "story" that makes sense is, it made a police state more palatable for the American people.  think about it many of us that hate seatbelts, helmets, gun paperwork...all that damned crap now willingly take off our shoes and let Darth Vader feel up our genitalia before boarding an airplane.   If one believes the police state story to 9/11 the very very last people you would want to govern you is the damned Democrats.

I guess the way I see 9/11 is Bin Loggins shot his wad on that day, he found 19 dupes and if he could`ve found more, then more planes would`ve flown into more bldgs.  I have a "World according to Garp" look on life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBSAeqdcZAM 

a scene from a great movie 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn60YWO218k 

[r3020]

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@hardnox wrote:

Confirmation bias.

Did it then fall straight down at near freefall, into its own footprint?

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It sagged straight down and had there weight above it would have collapsed straight into itself.

[hardnox]

Coming up with the correct conspiracy theory is secondary.

The important matter is to prove the official conspiracy theory to be extremely improbable to a high degree of confidence.

[NewAgJudge]

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@r3020 wrote:

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Nox, 2 weeks ago a neighbor's combine caught fire in the field. He got it put out with his extingisher. He was close to his shop and thought he would go in and make sure it was doused good using a water hose. As he was backing up to the shop the combine died. He looked back and there were flames everywhere. He tried to put it out with the hose. The fuel tank is plastic and burned through igniting the tires. The fire then spread to the steel framed shop. The tractor and oil barrels ignited. Long story short it ruined the steel framed shop. Every beam is warped and twisted. Crap happens. No one thought a steel framed shop would be ruined by a fire.

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Seems someone just didn't pray hard enough.

[hardnox]

Confirmation bias.

The guage of the metal in the 46 huge box beams that made up the central core was progressively heavier as you go down. It is like a grain bin, there's no reason to have more weight than is required for the desired degree of strucural support- in this case a 3X level of redundancy.

The NIST report says that the fuel flooded down the central service core creating a brace failure several floors below the impact point.

It is questionable whether that is enough energy to cause some warpage of the steel supports given the vast mass that acts as a heat sink. But even in the unlikely event that there was a failure it would occur in an irregular, progressive qand asymmetrical fashion, not instantly falling through the point of least resistance.

The amount of energy required to produced the observed effects is orders of magnitude greater than the purported cause.

There are various conspiracy theories as to what might have supplied the additional energy.

[hardnox]

point of greate resistance I should say