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Muller's Statement

I should have looked this up before I responded in the "Twisted" post. There seems to be some confusion from the POTUS down to the faithful, that Muller said Trump was "guilty" and that he was remiss by claiming guilt when Trump should have been "presumed innocent." That's not the case. This is the truth:

 - Mueller never used the word "guilt" in his statement except in one circumstance. That was  "These indictments contain allegations, and we are not commenting on the guilt or the innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty."

I hope you guys read that correctly.

However he did say "If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so," Mueller said. "We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime."

Check for yourself - Here is the entire transcript of statement: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/29/us/politics/mueller-transcript.html

This is all within the bounds of the 6th Amendment to the Constitution which says, "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

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(However he did say "If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so," Mueller said. "We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime.")

That was a dopey statement by Mueller that contradicts itself.  No prosecutor says that without being sued by the ACLU.                                                Isn't, ["If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,"] saying the same thing?

 

 

 

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Mueller was not task with looking for innocence, that is a given as we live in these united states. His task was to find guilt. He did not.

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@r3020 wrote:

Mueller was not task with looking for innocence, that is a given as we live in these united states. His task was to find guilt. He did not.


This sounds like he wasn’t prepared to admit anything but didn’t ignore it either. If there were another enquirer which appears there will be, he can continue where he left off.  

 

However he did say "If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so," Mueller said.

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Isn't, ["If we had had confidence that the President clearly did notcommit a crime, we would have said so,"] saying the same thing?

 

Yes that is what many take from it.

There is that bit about a speedy trial which can not happen because your president is above the law and can not be charged by someone like Mueller so no chance at a speedy trial so he gets off the hook, at least for now.

Senior Advisor

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But Mueller can say if he found guilt. He did not. He wasn't looking for innocence, he was task to look for guilt.

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After seeing the contortions from Knappy and the others trying to make sense out of what Mueller said or didn't say, I just wonder how many days and nights they were up after reading Alice in Wonderland and thinking it was just straight forward common sense.

But to be fair, this is the same crew that has morphed from marriage equals one man, one woman to whatever they now believe, and that can justify killing babies as not killing human life.

Really takes some gymnastic twists to get to that point and they did it.

 

 

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"Hate kills the brain." - Tony Katz

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He’s backed up to where winning another term in 2020 is an absolute survival event for him.

How much help he’ll get from his adopted party is up for grabs.

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(He’s backed up to where winning another term in 2020 is an absolute survival event for him.)

I see your on board with your girl nervous Nancy's statement to put the President in prison, which she delivered to her rich donors so she could pocket some more $'s.

(How much help he’ll get from his adopted party is up for grabs. )

You think he needs to start doing some Biden political flip flops to get his adopted party on board.           

We know ole Joe will bow to any political pressure in order to secure a vote, and then he'll try and "Hyde" it.