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Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

No Country for Good Men

Watched a Coen brothers movie last night, saw it previously but not with the missus, and we watched "No Country for Old Men" together. Bloody, violent movie with a bunch of twists.

 

Tommy Lee Jones plays an aging law enforcement officer, that is tracking down two parties to a drug deal gone wrong. One is a clueless vietnam vet that has accidentally stumbled on to some money that is not his. The other is a brilliant psychopathic killer that wants the money back.  I think it was the Coen brothers that also did "A simple plan" with about the same underlying plot.

 

The end of the movie basically has Tommy Lee Jones reflecting on what this country has become and if there is any hope left. The older I get, the more I can sympathize with his feelings. I know I identify with him much more today than I did when I watched the movie a few years ago. We are running out of decent people. Maybe we never go back to the 1950's in America, but why are so many people hellbent on the country going the route of Sodom and Gomorrah? Has something been released into America that is fostering this moral decline?

 

Not sure why, but the movie left me thinking a lot about "Brave New World", the novel that Aldous Huxley wrote about trends he saw happening in the world. He was very prophetic, for a guy writing in the 1930's or so, and nailed a lot of stuff. At the end of his story, the only decent guy in the book analyzes the situation and hangs himself. Huxley happened to die on the one day in 1963 where he would not be front page news...some young drug adled playboy with the intiials JFK got his head blown off in Dallas the same day and kept the death of the literary giant and probable genius off the page.

 

 

7 Replies
schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: No Country for Good Men

"Drug adled playboy"??  I guess you describe the unsuccessful assination of another president as "fabulous leader, all knowing God-like movie star"??  We will never know how great JFK would have been but most know how un-great reagan was.  If you're on drugs, stop and if you aren't, start!

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: No Country for Good Men

I didn't see it quite that way but can understand how you did.  I'm in possession of all of the Coen Bros. films and I always see them as more of a reflection on hope than dispair. Have you ever seen the first one they made, "Blood Simple"?  I saw NCFOM as the entire thing leading up to the ending scene which, centered around that vets precious and innocent  wife, is framed to give you the option of hope.  Which is probably all we really ever get.......I dunno. We obviously see just about everything differently.

 

As for JFK's drug usage, I'd always been led to beleive by what I've seen written and in documentaries (most recently the one about the intern he was carrying on with) that the drug thing was prescription drugs that were required to keep him able to stand and walk.  He'd gotten the crap kicked out of him in the war in that PT boat incident and had done some heavy lifting in the water with a broken back.  Not that any of that would excuse his philandering.  But a 1st degree c##k hound for sure.   Just think of what he might have been like if Viagra was around back in the day. 

 

There is quite a bit written about how those who have the ability to accept and perform leadership roles often beign sexually supercharged.  I'd turn the runing of the treasury department of the DOJ over to Eliot Spitzer in a heart beat.  In a heart beat.

 

I know and have known too many relatively prominent men who wear their conservatism, particularly their religious conservatism, on their sleeves who are full blown perverts and sexual predators. Too many  to give a summary pass to the outwardly rightous and condemn the secular and irreligous.

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: No Country for Good Men

Interesting how two people can see the same movie and see totally different things. Coens are good at what they do.

 

I never thought for an instant of any hope for the wife of the vet. The spainard was consistent throughout the entire move and that would not be part of who he was...she turned down the chance to gamble with her life. My wife saw her as dead when he walked out of the buidling, too.

 

JFK's drug abuse is well documented, even so much that one of the TV game shows had a question as to who was the first US President to smoke marijuana in the white house. That was the most benign thing he ingested, too from what I have read. Reports say he had a cocaine habit, too. Believe what you want, makes no difference to me.

 

You sound like another die hard liberal I know that was comparing Bill Clinton to King David and giving the guy a free pass. People can justify just about any behavior I guess. Eliot Spitzer cannot even pick out a good looking whore, how on earth would you trust his judgement to go after guys way smarter than he is?

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: No Country for Good Men

Intersting.  Her being spared  as a result of being the first person to react with indignation rather than confusion or fear to his offer was the only ting I coul have imagined. 

 

i haven't read what you have about JFK...and I hope you aren't saying something stupid like you did yesterday about people idolizing other people, as there have only been one or two political figures in my lifetime that I would say that I came close to idolizing and he wasn't one of them.  His brother Bob and Paul Welstone are as close  as I''ve ever come to idolizaition of any public figure.

 

Bill Clinton's sexual exploits are so far down the list of complaints and reaons I have to despise that man that they don'teven show on the radar.

 

You seem obsessed with the female veneer.  I hope for her sake that your wife is a hotty and keeps herself up. 

 

Just what would Spitzer's tastes in that area have to do with his ability to investigate and prosecute financial fraud which the current AG seems to have no interest in?   He's been through the mill...maybe wouldn't be so concerned about whatever universal disaster might occur if anybody messes with the banks, as Holder seems to have been convinced of by someone or other.  Crazyt hing is, the administration isn't doing anything because they have obvioulsy been convinced that even mildly disturbing the masters of finance and financial extraction could radically affect "the markets".   Funny, really, that farmers and small businesses can be so  critical of him, as they are actually doiing exactly what the others would want.  There may well be a buck's worth of current federal policy in a gallon of gas, but if that is so there could just as easily be 5 bucks of it in a bushel of beans.

 

Ain't too many I've seen since September of 2008 smarter than Spitzer.  None, in fact, that i can thik of right off.  He gets it...and knew it beforehand.  Bill Black at U of Mo K.C., who worked on one of the Federal Reserve boards during the S & L and Enron fiascos. He's been through that same mill.  Probably was smart before to be able to get a job like that, but smarter than he!!now.  Hands on education in something you are genuinely intersted in and passionate about can do that.

 

ollie2655
Senior Contributor

Re: we know this

his whoremonger ways came before country --so we are better he is gone

cowfarmer
Senior Contributor

Re: we know this Red

I kind of came to the same conclusion when I watched that movie. This country as it was is gone forever, so thank god for apathy and coors beer, it helps me cope. The baby boomers I think ended up getting there way as we always have.

Milligan Hay - Iowa d:^)
Veteran Advisor

Re: we know this Red


@cowfarmer wrote:

I kind of came to the same conclusion when I watched that movie. This country as it was is gone forever, so thank god for apathy and coors beer, it helps me cope. The baby boomers I think ended up getting there way as we always have.


America is a small shadow of what it used to be.  We used to be proud of the productive mind-set that almost everyone once had.  Take a look at this video to see how we have changed in the years since 1950, when it was made.  It is made by the Rock Island & Pacific Railroad.  In my lifetime, I have seen this country erode into something that I could not imagine it being, today.

 

Part One.

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEFTWc4xy20

 

Part Two.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4RJTDCSFHA&feature=related