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dagwud
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

Bart, I checked out your links.  Two were reports of 19 year olds being killed.  The new law would not have mattered much as they were already legal age.  One was an Amish boy killed when he was thrown from a horse while mowing hay so I'm guessing we should ban all children from riding horses.  If the boy was mowing for his father the new law would not have mattered in this case.

 

A couple of your posts reported on the same accident, the two 17 year olds killed in a grain auger.  Generally to be killed by an auger one has to ignore some basic safety rules.   These two boys were 17 so once again the new law would not have mattered as it sets limits for those under 16 with operating and assisting in operation of power-driven equipment. 

 

A couple of your links dealt with the two girls eletrocuted while detasseling in a ponded corn filed when they came in contact with a field irrigator.  Once again a terrible tragedy but I'm guessing it is more of a freak accident much like a house fire started by a faulty extesion cord then a matter of some farmer subjecting teenagers to working in dangerous conditions.  

 

I agree farming can be dangerous and think one child killed is to many.  I have no problem with banning young workers from operating PTO driven machinery or cleaning out grain bins on their own.  However one needs to use some common sense when implementing these new laws.  

 

"Operating non-ag tractors and power driven equipment: The proposal would prohibit hired youth farm workers under 16 from operating and assisting in operation of power-driven equipment, including machines, equipment and vehicles operated by any power source other than human hand or foot power (i.e. lawn and garden tractors and power-driven milking equipment)."   Bart have you or your neighbors ever hired a teenager under 16 to mow your lawn?

 

"Working with or around animals: Proposal would prohibit youth workers from working around breeding stock, including sows with young pigs, cows with a newborn calf, etc. It seems this would preclude youth from participating in breeding, branding, castrating, herding, vaccinating, etc."   This has gotten many leaders of 4H and FFA concerned as they worry it will make it hard for youths to participate in and learn from livestock programs.

 

 

"Under the proposal, youth under 18 could herd livestock on horse back or ATVs; could not help with branding, breeding, dehorning, vaccinating or castrating livestock, or treat sick or injured animals,and could not participate in any activity with noncastrated male horses, pigs or cattle older then 6 months."

 

The proposed rules keep in place the exemption for working at their parent's or guardian's farm or ranch, but would limit jobs for children under 18 if they are not working directly for their parents. 

 

However, becase many farms and ranchs are incorporated to include and extended family - grandparents, parents, brothers and sisters, ect. - they would lose their exemption and family members under 16 would not be allowed to work on the farm or handle animals on a ranch.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

I found this a minute ago.  Now if you don't have a problem with these numbers, go for it.  If you and others don't care enough to take care of it voluntarily then there will be a law against it.  As the law says, if you wish to subject you own children to the dangers then there is nothing against it.

 

"Nearly 2 million kids work and live on farms in the United States, and as many as 22,000 are seriously injured and about 100 kids and teens die each year on farms. In fact, farm jobs have the highest rate of fatalities and injuries of all types of teen employment, which isn't surprising given that agriculture is considered to be the most hazardous industry in the United States. Although the majority of accidents happen to people who live on farms, a significant number of injuries or deaths have occurred to kids and teens who either work on or visit farms."

dagwud
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

I've heard said many times and once even to myself when applying for a job working at the Waterloo School District bus barn while in college.   "We like to hire farm kids."  Farm kids were known to be better workers and often more knowledgeable at figuring things out. 

 

I'm not promoting over working kids or placing them in dangerous situations.   I simply think the proposed regulations go to farm when a kid 15 years old can not hire out to mow lawn, pick up rocks or bail hay.

Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

My exact quote:

 

Instead of kids, hire illegal aliens. They work cheap, and if caught, instead of prosecuting, maybe the government will give amnesty.
 
 
Wouldn't amnesty instead of prosecution imply a different level of punishment?
gough whitlam
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

The original post was taken totally out of context, as we know, but never let a few lies bugger up a good story.  I feel vindicated about my unqualified belief , slavery is alive and well, only the colour has changed.  Oooooooh there are some on here who yearn all night for the glory days of slavery to return.  Lest we forget.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

Don't know but the way I read it was that it would only concern the "hire for pay" crowd.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

I doubt that the first two jobs you mentioned would fall under the ruling.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

Sorry, but your EXACT quote that I commented on was:  "it will be 'less' illegal to hire illegal aliens, than the neighbor kid. "

GoredHusker
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

Does this qualify as hire for pay?  I mean I am paying for their labor, but the money just isn't going directly to them. 

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama administration to protect kids from working.

I guess theoretically, you are "hiring them".  I suppose they would have to be at least 16 years old before they could do that.