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ollie2655
Senior Contributor

Re: where did i say it had

butt whne it does every one will hate obalmo and demorats

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Obama care reality


In a private presentation to brokers late last month, UnitedHealth Group Inc., the nation's largest carrier, said premiums for some consumers buying their own plans could go up as much as 116%, and small-business rates as much as 25% to 50%. The company said the estimates were driven in part by growing medical costs not directly tied to the law. It also cited the law's requirements that health status not affect rates and that plans include certain minimum benefits and limits to out-of-pocket charges, among other things.

TuffyF
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama care reality

So true greenhouse man.  The louder they yell the more truthful they think they sound. 

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama care reality

I think that the reality is that most people used to paying for their health insurance with premiums that they watch and try to control, will see the rate increases of that 50% to 100% that is in the news currently. When you add all the mandated coverages, eliminate cherry picking to try to get the best rates to the people with healthy living habits, or blessed with good genetics, somehow ..someone...has to pick up the tab.

 

This obamacare has to be one of the least thought out ventures of government in my lifetime, and one that may still be overturned when the mechanics of it become unworkable.

 

Like one of the republicans said, why not make a government mandate that every american needs to have a $300,000 house and make $100,000 a year , too, whey we are at it.

 

At some point, the limitations of what government CAN do will stop the debate over what government SHOULD do.

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Obama care reality

I'm not so convinced that it wasn't concieved of well but rather am deeply convinced that it was doomed to become a boondoggle, sack of snakes, clusterbang once it ran head long into the Medical/Insurance Industrial Complex.  Popular in concept...nobody other than CEOs of HMOS and investors in certani technologies or property schemes thought much of what we had 5 years ago, or still have now and not much of the act has actually kicked in.  But the PR machinery on all sides is booming. 

 

The vastly most popular solution to the majority of the public is a sinle payer system modeled on Canada or most of the other developed western countires.

 

We ain't gonna ever get that, however, until the U.S. House of Representatives flips over, and with recent rounds of gerrymandering and the onging cultural clash that is out there that's not going to happen at any time in the foreseeable future.

 

If we get this unavoidable catostrophic financial collapse that the creditor/renier class is saying we are going to have and that is pushed here every day all medicine and care will become simple triage for all but  a very few.  Then, if we still have a politcal system lying within the rubble of that "crash" we might come up with something.  But for now, as that crash perpetually looms and never seems to come, all will simply be a continium of baseless and modestly informed arguments built around anecdotes and parrot feeding like we have all been having here for 4 years. 

r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Obama care reality


@bruce MN wrote:

I'm not so convinced that it wasn't concieved of well but rather am deeply convinced that it was doomed to become a boondoggle, sack of snakes, clusterbang once it ran head long into the Medical/Insurance Industrial Complex.  Popular in concept...nobody other than CEOs of HMOS and investors in certani technologies or property schemes thought much of what we had 5 years ago, or still have now and not much of the act has actually kicked in.  But the PR machinery on all sides is booming. 

 

The vastly most popular solution to the majority of the public is a sinle payer system modeled on Canada or most of the other developed western countires.

 

We ain't gonna ever get that, however, until the U.S. House of Representatives flips over, and with recent rounds of gerrymandering and the onging cultural clash that is out there that's not going to happen at any time in the foreseeable future.

 

If we get this unavoidable catostrophic financial collapse that the creditor/renier class is saying we are going to have and that is pushed here every day all medicine and care will become simple triage for all but  a very few.  Then, if we still have a politcal system lying within the rubble of that "crash" we might come up with something.  But for now, as that crash perpetually looms and never seems to come, all will simply be a continium of baseless and modestly informed arguments built around anecdotes and parrot feeding like we have all been having here for 4 years. 


It is nothing but a stepping stone to a single payer system, which will be just as much as of a failure  as is Obama care. You can never deliver quality at an affordable price with a third party payer system.

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Obama care reality

To paraphrase the venerable lipman here, thanks for proving my concluding point.

kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Re So you think that

$1200 per employee for health nsurance is a deal breaker for the business. I guess $108K would be too much to pay for ninety employees. Better they are forced to live without health insurance. Every illness is a bankruptsy threat.

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Obama care reality

And the people who signed the mess into law get ZERO of the blame from you.   We'd all be allot better off if folks like you would mind your own business and leave those of us not interested in playing alone.

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Obama care reality

As far as the total effect of the law goes, it has to be the worst ever.    The bill people were sold is that they'd force a bunch of the young and healthy to buy in and that would pay the way of the old and sick.  The truth is that the cost will be so high that the young will be forced into medicaide or into just paying the tax and the burden on the system will be even larger.  The pool of paying insured will not have grown.