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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

Hey Red, there are alot of good hardworking people and they are all over this great country, but as you say they are getting outnumbered.  And with taxes and the constant higher costs of living, people are just getting overwhelmed.  That`s why Trump is striking a cord with many people, he has been a real relief valve. 

 

It really is a shame how the good people have recently lost so much and are in imminent danger of losing it all. 

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

Thanks. Interesting stuff. If the wiki is anywhere near accurate it suggests that if they were here they may more likely interbred than been wiped out. From the article it appears that there has been quite a bit of DNA pulled. 

 

And FWIW if there were a Soultrean influence it would have come with a Mediteranean flair and not the Northern European stock that has dominated North American culture over the last 400 years. Interesting for sure. Thanks again

Polaris Racer
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

Wiki only has part of the story. Like I said there is a good chance there were white Europeans here first that came across an eastern bridge and possibly were wiped out later by the western migration. The proof ether way is out there it is just tied up by the Native American tribes. There a lot of things that support the eastern migration theory. Someday more information will be found that could prove things one way or the other.

NewAgJudge
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination


@BA Deere wrote:

The white man had the only "guns", the most virial "germs" and the sharpest "steel" and the indigenous peoples couldn`t defend their nomadic existence.  See, Bruce for milleniums in the real world, that is how land was aquired through force.  I know it sucks to be on the wrong end of that, but in many cases the white man saved indigenous peoples from their enemy`s soup kettle...so we`ll call it square. Ummm : NO

 

Nothing was given to the white man, they had to fight and clear land and build and invent.   it all back to the indigenous peoples...sapplings and weeds will grow where great museums and libraries once stood.

 

What once was, will be again  🙂

 

 


 

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

The wiki page does a good job of giving space to the profs and archeologists who are.making the case.  Where is some information on tribes or anybody else is blocking research? And why would anybody do that?  

 

There were tens if not scores of millions of humans in The New World prior to the first Spanish and Portugese "discoverers" showed up.  Not really sure why where they came from would be important enough to anybody to make a blanket charge that they wiped anybody out.   Again, this is intriqing.  Google doesn't produce much so I'd be interested in what you've got.

 

synopsis article here of a good book by Charles Mann: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/03/1491/302445/

Polaris Racer
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

Much consideration is given to Native Americans assuming they were the first here. If that was proven not to be the case I am sure they fear losing some of the benny's the government has given them over the years.
I don't remember where I seen this but it was on one of the history or science channels. History goes much farther back than most are taught. Just one more piece of that

bruce MN
Advisor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

Much further, though there are more than a few that are stuck around 6000. 

hobbyfarm2145365
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

This what our wonderful "govt " farmers have become wanting taxpayers to " maximize" their profits.....  no other businesses enjoy such govt  welfare.

 

farmers made poor business judgement in rent agreements  purchasing land, machinery purchases, and as usual they want others to pay for those mistakes.   They now want the govt, landlords, imput providers to bail them out once again. 

 

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

You are the one that votes for the socialists, not I.

 

I am just playing the game that your progressives create.

 

If you have a beef, go talk to your progressive socialists.

 

I will still be paying more into the system in taxes than what I get out.....more than you can say.

 

I want the government to get out of every cotton piccking thing.....that is what I "want". Maximizing profits is human nature and if your politicians are going to have the gross come from tax refunds instead of from the marketplace, that is the game I will play by.

 

Without govt distortion via crop ins guarantees and cyclical payments, corn would be priced at $5 or better as acres would quickly decrease in the marginal areas.

hobbyfarm2145365
Senior Contributor

Re: Obama worst POTUS ever nomination

There you go agaim making assumption about other individuals without out any merit to back them up.  You presume I'm a socialist and vote dems.  The real reason is you can't handle the true, farmers today are welfare recipients counting on govt for support.  Now who are the socialist 

 

What is all these taxes you pay?

 

Crop ins welfare would end if farmers didn't apply.   Oh yea without out it they couldn't get a operational loan from lenders... all my money is tied up inside machine shed or $10,000 land.  

 

Are you saying some farmers in this free country should be force out o you can maxime your income ???????  nice guy

 

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