Cheap shot Jimmy, The Hater

[bruce MN]

Fairly well known stuff.   Particulary about Ms Stein.  She was a big celeb in political circles in her heyday. 

That wasn't the context you posed the equation in.  In fact, it allows you to discount the multitude  of Jewish people who oppose what is going on in the name of Zionism today on humanitarian and moral grounds as being somehow insufficient..

[r3020]

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@bruce MN wrote:

Fairly well known stuff.   Particulary about Ms Stein.  She was a big celeb in political circles in her heyday. 

That wasn't the context you posed the equation in.  In fact, it allows you to discount the multitude  of Jewish people who oppose what is going on in the name of Zionism today on humanitarian and moral grounds as being somehow insufficient..

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[r3020]

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Notable Muslim supporters of Israel include Dr. Tawfik Hamid A former self described member of a terror organization and current Islamic thinker and reformer,[9] Sheikh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, Director of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community and self described Muslim Zionist,[1][8] and Tashbih Sayyed - A Muslim Pakistani-American scholar, journalist, author, and self-described Muslim Zionist,[10] Prof. Khaleel Mohammed, Islamic Law scholar of the San Diego State University and Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, a Bangladeshi journalist and publisher, and a self-proclaimed Muslim Zionist.

[edit] In Egypt

Dr. Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian scholar and self-described former member of the militant al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, said that most Muslims correlate the word Israel in Arabic to the word ‘Azra’il that sounds like Israel but means “Angel of death”.[unreliable source?] This created a link in the minds of most Muslim children the need to hate the word Israel. In an article titled "Why I loved Israel based on the Qur'an" he claims that according to the Qur'an, God gave the Israelites the land of Israel as their promised land (Quran 17:104): And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land of promise". He explains the Quran went even further to consider the Promised Land as the permanent inheritance for the Israelites (26:59): "Thus it was, but we made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things (the Promised Land)"[9] He continued by saying "No Muslim has the right to interfere with the gathering of the Jews in Israel, as this is the will of God himself".[9]

[edit] In Pakistan

Dr. Tashbih Sayyed, a Shi’ite Pakistani-American scholar, journalist, and author, was a prominent supporter and Israel and critic of the Islamist movement. He said that Israel is vital for the stability of the region.[10] Sayyed praised the treatment of Arabs in Israel, and applauded the "strength of the Jewish spirit that refuses to give in to evil forces despite thousand of years of anti-Semitism". He concluded by saying "I am convinced that it is true that God created this earth but it is also a fact that only an Israel can keep this earth from dying".[10] Tashbih condemned the press that portrays paint the Israelis as villains, and "chooses to ignore all rules of ethical journalism when it comes to Israel"[10]

[edit] In Canada

Irshad Manji, a Muslim Canadian author and an advocate of progressive interpretation of Islam, says that the Arab's failure to accept the Jews' historical bond with Palestine is a mistake. Manji accepts that the Jews' historical roots stretch back to the land of Israel, and recognizes their right to a Jewish state. She further argues that the allegation of apartheid in Israel is deeply misleading, noting that there are in Israel several Arab political parties; that Arab-Muslim legislators have veto powers; and that Arab parties have overturned disqualifications. She also observes that Israel has a free Arab press; that road signs bear Arabic translations; and that Arabs live and study alongside Jews. She accuses Arab countries for the Palestinian refugees' plight, saying that they "interfered with every attempt to solve the problem" and that they would rather give "generous support to suicide bombers and their families" rather than help the needy refugees.[32] According to Geneive Abdo, "Muslim Zionist" is a label which Manji "would no doubt accept".[33]

In 2008, Salim Mansur, a Muslim Canadian Political Scientist, columnist and author,[34] congratulated Israel for its 60th anniversary, and declared that the Jewish state "deserves admiration". He wrote, "Israel is a tiny sliver of land in a vast tempest-ridden sea of the Arab-Muslim world, and yet it is here the ancient world's most enduring story is made fresh again by Jews to live God's covenant with Abraham as told in their sacred literature."[35] In 2010, he wrote: "The story of modern Israel, as many have noted, is a miracle unlike any [...] It is a robust and inclusive democracy, and is at the leading edge of science and technology [...] What hypocrites demand of Israelis and the scrutiny Israel is subjected to by them, they would not dare make of any other nation."[36]

[edit] In Bangladesh

Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, a Bangladeshi journalist and publisher, and a self-proclaimed Muslim Zionist.[7] His newspaper, The Weekly Blitz, criticizes the jihad culture and advocates inter-faith understanding between Muslims, Christians and Jews. Choudhury was arrested by Bangladeshi police on November 29, 2003 at Dhaka airport since he was scheduled to fly for Israel, a country Bangladeshi citizens are barred from travelling to. After release from 17-months imprisonment, Choudhury wrote in an Israeli newspaper "I also stand before you perhaps as a living contradiction: a Zionist, a defender of Israel, and a devout, practicing Muslim, living in a Moslem country. ". He said "I believe in the justice of the Zionist dream. I also acknowledge this historical reality: that the world has endeavored to crush that dream and, yes, even to destroy the viability of the Jewish people. At the same time, I live in an environment where people believe just as passionately in an opposing view—one that sees Israel as illegitimate; and the Jewish people as evil incarnate.".[37]

[edit] In Kenya

Abdalla Mwidau, mayor of Mombasa during the 1970s, and a Muslim supporter of Israel, was elected to Kenyan parliament as the representative of Mombasa-South. In 1979, Mwidau conducted an information campaign among Muslims in the USA, in which he praised Israel's assistance to developing African countries and specifically its assistance to Muslim education in Kenya. His political rivals, led by Sharif Kassir, denounced these activities, calling Mwidau a "Zionist agent". Mwidau remained in parliament until his death in 1986

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel

[johnaa]

  Yes, The Hasbara-ites have spent a great deal of money and effort to flood wikipedia with their propaganda, and they support many syncophants around the world, it pays well. 

[johnaa]

Hasbara refers to the propaganda efforts to improve Israel's image abroad, to justify its actions, and defend it in world opinion. It is a public diplomacy effort undertaken by Israeli government officers, or individuals in target countries (public or private efforts; group or individual efforts). Israel portrays itself as fighting on two fronts: against the Palestinians/Arabs and world opinion. The latter is dealt with hasbara. The premise of hasbara is that Israel's problems are a matter of better propaganda, and not one of an underlying unjust situation.

Hasbara Campus Manual

A Hasbara manual for students to use on US univesity campuses is now available online[2]. A summary of the techniques is provided from page 31 onwards:

Propaganda is used by those who want to communicate in ways that engage the emotions and downplay rationality, in an attempt to promote a certain message.

The manual goes on to describe seven propaganda techniques:

Name calling: through the careful use of words, then name calling technique links a person or an idea to a negative symbol.

Glittering generality: Simply put, glittering generality is name calling in reverse. Instead of trying to attach negative meanings to ideas or people, glittering generalities use positive phrases, which the audience are attached to, in order to lend positive image to things. Words such as "freedom", "civilization",…

Transfer: Transfer involves taking some of the prestige and authority of one concept and applying it to another. For example, a speaker might decide to speak in front of a United Nations flag, in an attempt to gain legitimacy for himself or his idea.

Testimonial: Testimonial means enlisting the support of somebody admired or famous to endorse and ideal or campaign.

Plain folks: The plain folks technique attempts to convince the listener that the speaker is a 'regular guy', who is trust-worthy because the are like 'you or me'.

Fear: Stressing that ignoring the message will likely lead to war, terrorism

Bandwagon: Suggest that the stated position is mainstream and use polls to suggest this.

[johnaa]

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=191325

[bruce MN]

You've been insisting that to be the case here for ages. 

[KNAPPer]

You are probably right. I often don't read underlaying meanings in posts and take them at face value. After hearing a report today on drone strikes and knowing that Obama has used so many, I am leaninging towards disfavoring them unless they are based on first-hand intellegence. It's a long story.

[Jim B. in Iowa]

You gotta remember...Obama has an election coming up and has got to look tough on terrorism to have a chance.  He can ill-afford an attack on the US.

I think the drones are much better than lobbing missiles like Clinton did...and much better than invading two countries like Bush did.