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Senior Contributor

Re: One more thing to challenge your thought processes

Why do you think it is called 'faith' in God, and not 'undeniable proof' in God?



One of the main points of 'faith' is in doing the right thing, even without proof that there is reward for doing so, or punishment for not, instead of just doing what you can get away with.

 

 


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Re: One more thing to challenge your thought processes

I belive the words are confess, and repent, if you want your sins to be forgiven.

 

Confess, means to admit you committed sin (we all sinned, we just need to acknowledge it).

The original meaning of the word used for repent in the Bible, I belive, means a changing of your ways.

Much like when Jesus told the prostitute that she was forgiven, but to 'sin no more' (change her ways).

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Re: One more thing to challenge your thought processes

Canuck, just because you are acerbic, do you not think you are also a "hypocrite"?  Smiley Happy

 

So, should a Black bakery be forced to cater a ku klux klan cookout?   Should a Jewish funeral home be forced to provide a funeral service for a former nazi prison guard?  Should a attorney that had been raped in the past be forced to represent a pediphile?

 

See, I believe tolerance is a 2 way street, someone might have the right to prance around naked at a nude beach, but no one should be forced to have to look at something that`s disgusting.

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Re: One more thing to challenge your thought processes

You guys are getting away from the argument. The fact is your lives are guided by a fictitious god who no one has one bit of proof that exists, in a place which you all strive to go and none of you know where it is and expect all those who disagree to spend eternity in hell, another fictitious place that there is no proof of. And you think WE don't have a grip on life!!!!!!

The Christian beliefs you espouse to follow quite obviously do not apply on this forum nor do I think they apply in your life. Old Deere says no one hates Obama more than he does. Good Christian stuff ay???

I totally reject you godbotherers actual do as you say in respect to your beliefs. The public statements of praying is ridiculous. It is a well worn path for sanctimonious pious wanna be's. to want to be seen to worship your silly gods. The atheists know full well the truth. But perish the thought you would be lying.
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Re: One more thing to challenge your thought processes


@gough whitlam wrote:
You guys are getting away from the argument. The fact is your lives are guided by a fictitious god who no one has one bit of proof that exists, in a place which you all strive to go and none of you know where it is and expect all those who disagree to spend eternity in hell, another fictitious place that there is no proof of. And you think WE don't have a grip on life!!!!!!

The Christian beliefs you espouse to follow quite obviously do not apply on this forum nor do I think they apply in your life. Old Deere says no one hates Obama more than he does. Good Christian stuff ay???

I totally reject you godbotherers actual do as you say in respect to your beliefs. The public statements of praying is ridiculous. It is a well worn path for sanctimonious pious wanna be's. to want to be seen to worship your silly gods. The atheists know full well the truth. But perish the thought you would be lying.

Gouchy my friend, when you go somewhere you need two things, a map and a compass. The Bible is my map and the Cross is my compass. If I let my life be guided by the Bible and my focus is on the Cross I will safely arrive at my final desired destination.

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Re: The reason behind the challenge

After observing some of you that wish to keep the down trodden down and exclude the the undesirables form our midst or any hope of advancement, I wonder if you would carry that attitude beyond the grave. Whether you would prefer that the undesirables were excluded from paradise.

 

The notion that the poor should remain poor. That you oppose wages increases whether you hve to pay them or not. That workers are second class citizens compared to businessmen or investers.  That women are not deserving of equal pay for equal work. Does that mean women get a second rate position in paradise or will they be included at all. Are wage earners worthy of salavation?

 

Do you hope paradise has a capitalist system or socialist system where everyone has plenty. Or do you think the financial pirates should get the most of it? Just food for thought as I critically examine your attitudes towards the less successful.

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Re: One more thing to challenge your thought processes

I want to know why you particular Christians on here and many gop folks in the south are always screaming "persecution" because you are getting yelled at and stopped in many cases from persecuting other people????  Can you explain that to me O Great Genius??????

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Re: They are shocked, I say shocked

that abused people that are their targets actually fight back! How dare they ?

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Re: The reason behind the challenge

If you would read the Bible, you might find that the poor and the downtrodden, are the ones who will have the easiest path to heaven.   It is those with the love of money, that will have to thread a camel through the eye of a needle, to get in.   However, be sure to note that Jesus says that it is up to us, as individuals, to give of what we have, to help the less fortunate.   Nowhere have I read, that one is to petition the government to do that.   Not that there should not be government programs, to help the needy, but to truly be a follower of Jesus, you have to give individually, of you have, of your own free will.

 

 

 

As for your comment about the 'socialist system where everyone has plenty', could you link me to one of those?   Granted, I'm not exactly all that worldly, but from what I learned in HIstory class, it would seem that it is only a matter of time under socialsim, that people get divided into two classes, the 'ruling class' who live pretty good, and the 'underclass' who largely have a standard of living below the poorest in this country.

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Re: One more thing to challenge your thought processes

I've been called all sorts of names, and I can't recall persecuting anyone.

However, Jesus said that followers of his, will likely face some sort of persecution, so it is to be expected.

I wonder if part of it, isn't a 'test' to see how we treat others who don't belive as we do. 
For example, Jesus didn't 'shun' anyone, he was right there in the gutters with the drunks and prostitutes, and in the leper colonies, where most people wouldn't go, spreading his message of love and redemption.

No, when we are persecuted, if we really want to follow the example of Jesus, we don't look for ways to degrade those who we feel are wrong, but rather gently explain that their behavior is not in lines with Jesus's teachings.

As for things like the bakers making the cake.  I disagree with a law that says you MUST bake a cake for everyone who asks, but on the other hand, when Jesus fed the multitudes with the miracle of the fish and loaves, he didn't feed only the true believers, he fed everyone who was there, who said they were hungry.

The more I think about it, if I were the baker, I'd like to think that I'd tell them that I disagreed with their lifestyle, as it went against the teachings of the Bible, but that the Bible also said we are to feed the hungry, and if they really wanted me to, I'd bake them a cake, but they'd be free to take their business elsewhere.