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Only a couple of hours old

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Re: Only a couple of hours old

Here, here! If people don't wake up with this rant, what does it take? Complete utter meltdown?

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Re: Only a couple of hours old

He just explained why the tea party got started. The inner circle of the left and right are trying to shut the tea party people up. I hope they, tea party, stay strong and loud.

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When the slogan "Taxed Enough Already" got commandeered by the wealth extractors, the Tea Party lost much of their grassroots credence. Face it, politicians are in the business of acquiring campaign dollars to do the bidding for someone else.

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You aren't serious, are you?

What he was talking about was what got the tea party started?

 

Watch it a couple of more times and come back with some quotes/snips that match up to what Santenelli said. To what the Kochs and Armey are funding.  To what Michelle Bachman claims to be the standard bearer for.

 

This segment has gone viral, BTW. BA even posted it under seperate cover after I'd had it up for 12 hrs, but that's understandable....not understandable is him, like you, posting it so as to make any of us believe that he agrees with one word that Dyaln says. Nothing he's ever said or ascribed to here in the past would point ot that, but maybe he's had some sort of a epiphany overnight.

 

I'm danged to near peeing in my pants trying to imagine you and BA approving of the President actually  doing what Ratigan calls on him to do.

 

 

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Re: You aren't serious, are you?

bruce, I was watching Dylan when this happened. I also watched Morning Joe this morning and, poor Democratforlife, is like most of the right, it went right over his head. He heard what he thought he wanted to hear, only. Clueless, comes to mind, as are most on the right.

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Re: You aren't serious, are you?

Johnny Carson had a theory that there was only one fruit cake that exsisted, it was the same one everyone received and regifted at Christmas.  Like that there are overlapping areas of agreement between the Right and left, Ron Paul walks that line like no other, yet that unfortunately that makes him unelectable on a national basis.  You and I probably agree on Glass-Segal, fair-trade, living wages and such, but Bruce you and I separate on very different paths after that.  If Obama was anti-war like he pretended and stood up to the `banksters` I could perhaps overlook a few of his many many shortcomings.   Shortcomings that you`d call virtues, I`m sure, pathway to citizenship, same-sex..you name it, socialized medicine, more over regulations(this alone will make him a one termer by even the most lib bussinessperson),  tax "reform".  So yeah if Obama went to the American people with a workable plan, I`d be fair and give it a listen, however I`d be skeptical that it would only be more thinly veiled communism.  BTW I know Steven Segal wasn`t involed in Glass-Steagall   Smiley Wink

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Re: You aren't serious, are you?

 So yeah if Obama went to the American people with a workable plan, I`d be fair and give it a listen, however I`d be skeptical that it would only be more thinly veiled communism.

 

The thought that you'd be fair and give it a listen is a out right lie, BA, and you know it! We all know it is because in the next breath you call it communism! What you've done is confirmed how irrational, and unreasonable you are.

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GTO, to make an effective speech of a plan to the American people it would have to start with an very since apology and a solid 10 minutes of power point of all his mistakes in the last 3 yrs. With another 10 minutes of how he will correct his past sins ie, repeal Obamacare.  Then totally dressed down offer how he will be The President of the United States of America, not the elitist socialist of his past 50 years.  No blaming GW Bush, no blaming Reagan, no blaming Eisenhower, no blaming Abe Lincoln, no blaming George Washington.  The little twerp needs to standup like a man and admit his mistakes....THEN yes!!! GTO I WILL give the man a fair hearing!!   Or we wait til November 2012 and elect a new fruit cake, if we still have a country.

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Re: You aren't serious, are you?

My response was to dem4life and his assertion about what Ratigan said was why the TP was formed. Which is ludicrous. I wasn't responding to you in that post as I did somewhere else. Your position seems more to be a moving target relative to how each bit and piec e of anything that happens affects you personally. Take that up with your wife. She's likely experiencing the same things you are and apparently sees them differently than you do.

 

As for Ratigan's rant and theTP, the TP essentially got kicked started by Rick Santenelli going off over how people who had benetfited from bankster policies and the irresponsible de-regulation of financial acitivities were going to be drug down by people who had defrauded the mortgage system by welching on their loans, with no mention of fraudulent securities bundlling, corrupt rating services or the innaction of the corporatist  Clinton and  Bush administrations (Obama wasn't in yet, but as we all know his administration has continued the same policies and innaction and that is very wrong and dissapointing and unless you are blind or just plain stupid you would know that I've been sayign that since the day the man took office,, but has nothing to do with the start up of the TP).

 

Santinelli called for a tea party like revolt.

 

Once it got mildly organized and the administratoins rolled over 2 things happened. The TP movement became a magnet for every remnant of far right activism that was out there. Remnants of the John Birch Society, various religious factions obsessed with social and cultural issues, racially charged movemetns, the weakest and least grounded of the neolibertarian movements, etc. They had found a home.

 

Upon begin recognized as an angry mass, the most well organized and funded movemetns of the plutocratic right, i.e. the Koch bros and scores of others like them, guided by the **bleep** Armeys of Freedom Works, Bob Perry and other extremists with long records of using money driven campaigns to fight against democrtric processes and democraticly arrived at policies moved in and provided media cover and financial support.  Murdoch jumped in. The rest of the media cowered. Normally responsible conservative oranizations and institutions (AEI, The Wash Post) didn't do anything but stand back, knowing what would happen. And it all WAS big news.

 

But I've never seen anyting in my lifetime that was so readily co-opted by so many people....seeing what they wanted to see in it and saying that, finally, somebody is there to represent me. And the vast majority of them being little people who were being played like a violin by the plutocracy that had taken over the rudder.

 

My response to demforlife was that there wasn't one thing in what Ratigan said that substantiated what the tea party means to him, or why he may have been attracted to it....based on what his views have been here in the past or what he has stated support for. It was stark, knee jerk co-option of something he saw as contraritan (it was) , critical of the President (it was) and expressed in an enraged manner, AKA Santenelli, who BTW worked side by side with Ratigan at one time on CNBC. But not in wat it suggested...not by a damned sight.

 

If either one of you can find a paragraph or a sentence in Ratigan's screed that supports the TP and right wing extremism. cultural or economic, I'm open to reconsider.