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GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Path to Prosperity

Really? Prosperity for WHO? I know do any of YOU??

 

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So some smarmy bloggers (yes, I'm looking at YOU, Atrios!) have been guffawing over the fact that Paul Ryan's Brave and Courageous Budget Plan relies on some seemingly dubious numbers. In particular, the plan claims to work economic miracles by bringing the unemployment rate down to 6.4% next year (it's currently around 8.8%) and all the way down to 2.8% (!!!) by 2021. And it's not just the dirty hippies who are laughing -- even the Very Serious bloggers at The Economist are piling on, calling the unemployment projection "unrealistic enough to be considered somewhat bizarre." But this is where you guys are missing the real magic of the Ryan proposal: That it will act as a massive stimulus program for the corpse-removal industry.

 

You see, the genius of the Ryan plan is that it gives the elderly "vouchers that do not keep up with the price of cutting edge medicine," in the words of supporter Andrew Sullivan.

 

"But what about people who get struck with serious illness whose costs exceed their voucher payments?" you ask. Well, they pretty much pony up their own cash to pay for the operation or they, you know, die. This will be especially true since Ryancare will repeal all portions of the 2010 health-care law, even the provisions that barred insurers from rescinding policies because people are costing insurers too much. In other words, get ready for a whole lotta corpses to pile up in the streets as broke elderly people die while begging for change to pay for their cancer operations!

And this is where the stimulus aspect comes in. Today we have a lot of unemployed people who are desperate for a job to put food on their tables. Once the old folks start keeling over in the streets, we'll need someone to clean up the bodies. Those "someones" are the people today who are collecting unemployment checks. Two birds, meet one stone!

The government won't be hiring these corpse-disposal workers directly, of course -- that would be socialism! Instead we'll rely on the free market and hand out a no-bid government contract to some firm that paid for hookers at the last Republican National Convention. This will be advantageous from a cost-cutting perspective because the firm -- let's call it "Blackwater," just for simplicity's sake -- will pay its workers minimum wage. So as the workers get older they'll be completely unable to afford the premiums for care they'll have to pay under Ryancare. And when they drop dead from exhaustion on the streets, that will just create a demand for more corpse cleaners. The virtuous cycle thus repeats itself!

Now, before I forget, let me get to the absolute bestest ever part of Ryan's plan: Charlie Sheen will get yet another tax cut. You see, I had originally thought that Sheen would merely get to keep the tax cut that Bush gave him last decade. But it turns out that he'll see the tax rate on most of his income fall from 35% to 25%. Just think of all the hookers he'll be able to afford!

Why is this a good thing, you ask? Well, think of it like this: Even though granny may not be able to afford her cancer surgery anymore, she will be able to get lots of laughs from the Torpedo of Truth's zany antics while she watches TV on her death bed*. So don't worry, folks: Under Ryan's brilliant and bold proposal, Charlie Sheen will keep winning for many, many years to come**.

*Assuming she can afford a death bed.

**Unless he attempts to get treated for his bipolar disorder. In that case, he's on his own.

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r3020
Senior Advisor

Re: Path to Prosperity

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You do not have to like the long-term budget that Paul Ryan and the House Republicans have released this morning. There’s plenty in the plan for liberals to hate, moderates to doubt, and conservatives to question. But you do have to respect it. As my colleague David Brooks writes today, it is “the most comprehensive and most courageous budget reform proposal any of us have seen in our lifetimes.” It puts flesh on the bones of the standard-issue conservative pledge to limit government’s growth, and it does so not with evasive pledges on process (like the risible idea of a balanced budget amendment) or dishonest suggestions that the deficit can be erased by defunding N.P.R. and slashing foreign aid, but by attacking entitlement spending deeply and directly. George W. Bush touched the third rail of American politics with his Social Security gambit, and lived to regret it. With their proposal to transform Medicare from an open-ended entitlement to a system that provides support for seniors’ premiums, Ryan and the Republicans are reaching out and grabbing it with both hands. In the process, they are being brutally honest with the American people, in ways that the Obama White House has repeatedly refused to be, about the scale of the deficit challenge and the scope of the reforms needed to address it.

 

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/paul-ryan-and-the-triumph-of-policy/

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Path to Prosperity

Ryan's proposal falls far short of what is needed. Probably need to sieze the assets of anyone over 65, then if their family won't take them in we could put them into fema camps. It'll be much more efficient to feed them and treat their ailments in that setting. Obviously democrats aren't interested in finding any solutions, theyve got wars to start.
dagwud
Senior Contributor

Re: Path to Prosperity

GTO, medical care for the elderly is a very large chunk of medical costs in our country which we all help pay for via higher insurance rates and higher taxes.  I've read a couple of articles on it and the authors claim there is a great deal of money spent in this country on elderly patients in the last month or so of their lives that yields little results.  Many times there are large amounts of money spent on an elderly patient only to keep the ailing person alive for a week or month  longer.  Often this happens because the patient did not have a medical or living will made up in advance indicating their wishes in case they become incapacitated.

 

 

I believe their are some in the medical profession that find the elderly an easy source of money waiting to be tapped.  I don't want the elderly to suffer any more then the next guy but at times you have to wonder if our medical dollars are being spent wisely.  Earlier this week a friend of mine's mother passed away at the age of 91 from natural causes.  She was scheduled for hip replacement surgery a couple of days after she died.  All politicians are afraid to touch this subject for fear of someone accusing them of death squads or wanting to kill off Grandma but I think we need to ask could the limited amount of Medicare dollars be better spent on something other then a hip replacement for a 91 year old person?

kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Re: Path to Prosperity

You're still a young whippersnapper and have barely paid in to SS and medicare. We will see how you talk when your loved ones get to be ancient and need medical care. When they burn up their assets on medical care and leave you with none.

 

When you have to pay $2000 per month for less coverage than you have now. Many folks are lucky to financially survive the premedicare decade and now you want to propose the Dagwood death panel that decides who lives or dies. If age ninety they are declared not worth the expense, why not age 70 for men as few of them make it beyond 80.

 

 

 

 

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Path to Prosperity

Any rational American that buys in to such rubbish, deserves what they are about to recieve, should they buy into it.

To start with, The who's going to decide who gets the vouchers? Ryan? Government run healthcare, with "death panels" if there ever was one!

The real beauty in this excersise in Republicanism, DROP THE WEALTHY'S TAX CUT FROM 35% TO 25%!! MORE TAX BREAKS FOR CORPORTIONS?? At what point do YOU PEOPLE stop and ask yourselves! When do you people finally understand, your going down the drain, that you don't count!!  WTF!!!!!

The honesty, and intergrity of the Repbulican party! Really?? By the corporations, for the corporations, THAT'S THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Path to Prosperity

Well, gee, think of the savings for anesthesiology by waiting for two days after she died to replace her hip!!   And there are many who do agree to pull the plug on grandma and even kids if all hope is gone but many live in denial and keep hoping for a miracle.  In the case of the hip replacement for a 91 year old, don't blame Medicare, blame the Dr. that said it would be safe for it to be done.  If a Dr justifies it, most insurances will cover whatever they will cover.  It isn't just Medicare.  There needs to be more education on living wills for sure but people like me don't like to tempt fate and buy cemetery plots or make wills but I know better.

dagwud
Senior Contributor

Re: Path to Prosperity

Dagwood death panels?  Where did I ever suggest death panels?  By suggesting we need to have a serious discussion and ask if our Medicare dollars are best spent on hip replacements for 91 year old people or to keep a dying person alive on breathing machines for months when no prior living will was completed? 

 

 

And you complain when Repubs call Obama a Socialist or suggested death panels in the Dems health care reform plans?  You sure have never been shy to make things up and try to twist the words of others yet get upset when Repubs do that to Dems.

 

 

One of the articles I read on the subject was written by a doctor who was nearing retirement age.  He sees what goes on in the medical world far better then you or I.  My personal doctor who is also retirement age and is a well respected and extremely popular local doctor has also expressed similar views on this subject.  I spoke personally with him while my mother's health was failing.  He says he has seen many cases where an elderly person is get alive on breathing machines with no quality of life or even aware of it simply because some family member can't except the fact that their loved one's time on earth has come to an end. 

 

 

With today's modern medicine we can keep a person alive long after their body would have succumb to death with machines to breath for you, feed you and even pump your blood all while you lie their unconscious and never will get younger or better.  I seem to recall you having a different take on this when Repubs were trying to make Terri Schiavo a voting issue.

 

 

I guess because some folks don't feel comfortable talking about this issue and especially politicians who are afraid to offend anyone and risk losing a voter or campaign contribution then we should just ignore it.  High health care cost are one our country's biggest challenges and one out of every seven dollars spent on health care is spent on the dying.   Ignore the fact that many dying people would like to decide when they want to end their lives but their fedral and state governments are almost universally against it.  Ignore that most all of those other countries whose health care systems we beleive to be better then ours allows assisted suicide. 

 

 

Maybe you will want to talk to your children to get their opinion on spending their inheritance of cryogenically freezing old Don?  Get the most bang for your dollars.

schnurrbart
Veteran Advisor

Re: Path to Prosperity

How about just taking all those people who don't want to participate and pulling the plug on them??  I think you guys are ahead in the past 30 years or so as far as starting wars.

Samnospam
Advisor

Re: Path to Prosperity

If you go back to the start I think every president has had a war of some sort. sad isn't it.