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rodgersfarms56
Senior Contributor

Perspective

If you did away with the military.. every dollar of funding, it would only reduce the deficit by half. But reducing the military by a dollar is seen as unpatriotic. I’m not saying it would be prudent. But wasn’t America Great in the first half of the 20th century before we became an Imperialist Nation? Before we had the whole world gunning for us? When your grandpa and mine were young?
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BA Deere
Honored Advisor

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EVERYTHING was better when grandpa and dad was young. But a lot of wrong turns were made at Albuquerque between then and now. Now we have to put expensive bandaids on these problems, because there either isn't money or political will to do the right things.

After we've kicked 3/4 of the world in the balls for years and years, now is not the time to cut defense spending. Should we've kicked all those in the balls in Libya and other places? No, but too late now.
rodgersfarms56
Senior Contributor

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My post wasn’t meant to be against the military or military spending. My point was cutting it out altogether would only erase a portion of the deficit. I said half but more like 2/3 to 3/4. It highlights the deficit and actually makes military spending look small.

My other thought was meant to be independent. It’s not the military that makes us great or the imperialistic presence in the world. I think we were at our greatest during the industrial revolution from the civil war period until ww2. I recognize and have tried to explain that we had this position thrust upon us by being the only major industrial power whose nation was not destroyed by ww2. If we had been bombed out as Britain Germany japan or any country we would not be in the position we are. Of course the nuke was a different story. It was invented both out of necessity and naivety. It’s like we stepped on a land mine, can’t move and everyone saying look America wants to keep it to themselves. But we have definitely overplayed our position and kicked too many countries in the balls. Our military is not our greatness. And that doesn’t detract from the valor of service men before I am excoriated for that.
r3020
Senior Advisor

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We were a greater nation when the people were far more responsible for the own existence. It made for much stronger families and stronger communities. The welfare state has destroyed that. This is why socialism always ends in failure.

rodgersfarms56
Senior Contributor

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Character is built during hard times. Thriftiness, generosity, hard work, gratefulness. It would be hard to immediately abandon all social programs though. For example can you see generation x or Generation Y taking care of elderly parents in their home? It won’t be as simple as just going back to how it was.
rsbs
Veteran Advisor

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You make good points, but I agree with BA that the USA needs to remain strong or risk the wrath of countries that do not like us. It's not a good position to be in, but that is where we are, and no apology tour like the Zero did is going to change that. The Zero did a lot of pretty Un-American things, and bowing to foreign leaders was pretty high on that list. A servile and humble attitude and position is fine with those that like you, but it doesn't get you as far as a big stick does with those that hate you. And much of the world hates us, that's just the way it is.

 

Truman was a petty guy, and should never have been a US President. I cannot imagine how Truman would be portrayed today by the hostile media and with his personality. Trump looks pretty charismatic compared to Truman, a low level politician that by a few quirks and fate ended up rising to a level of total incompetence. His hands and intellect should have never been on the buttons to launch the age where a bomb can erase the souls and lives of hundreds of thousands in an instant.

bruce MN
Advisor

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Following, and agreeing with some of what you are saying about our adventursome pursuits, it struck me that this might interest you:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/sen-tim-kaine-demands-release-secret-trump-war-powers-...
GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

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rodgersfarms56
Senior Contributor

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I read a good deal of it Bruce. We are in the position we are because America likes to poke tigers instead of killing them. No one even knows what winning is anymore. George Bush was perfectly accurate when he stood on the aircraft carrier and announced mission accomplished. We had defeated the enemy. If winning had ever in history meant, not conquering not ruling but hanging around until they liked one another and had their own democracy established then no war has ever been won. We were in Germany protecting from other forces for 50 years before the Berlin Wall was down. Why don’t we call that a 54 year old war? It’s not politically correct to win anymore
rodgersfarms56
Senior Contributor

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The point is as far as the article goes, once Congress authorizes the President to poke the tiger he has the power to kill it.