Political violence

[cowfarmer]

I love following the arguments on this site, as you can see I don't post as much as some others but just don't have a lot of time. One thing I am learning by watching this is, the two sides truly don't like each other in this country. I would bet if some of the posters were in the same room together there would be at least a shouting match. I think in most of our lifetimes, blood will be shed over idealogy in this country, Just my two cents, and it probably aint worth that. But we truly are seperating in this country, I don't know if it's anyones fault, but it's happening.

[BA Deere]

Hey Cowfarmer, I think with the imminent major problems that this country faces , we needed to have elected a leader that woul`ve brought the country together, in the vein as Ronald Reagan.  We don`t necessarily need a leader with all the answers, just one that is #1 honest  #2 likeable   #3 and can share a vision for this country that a billionaire right down to a guy working 3rd shiff for $10/hr can embrace.   We don`t have that, nothing close, we are stuck in mud for 4 years, if we last that long.  The election didn`t go the way I hoped, Romney was likeable and did have the skills to turn things around, but was rejected.  I`m not bitter because I knew this day would happen, it`s one of those things that you hope you were wrong about...but weren`t.  Speaking for myself, I probably won`t vote any longer, I`m afraid that the Republican party will have gotten the wrong "message" from their shellacking, if that is the case both parties will have moved into my "greater evil" catagory.  I`m just a pimple on the elephant`s butt in significance, however my patriotism is dying more each day, our flag that we`ve flown nearly every day last summer and this fall is faded and needing replaced.  I don`t believe that I will bother getting a new one, from now on putting the flag up in the morning and taking it down at evening will be too much of a chore.  I am lossing the incentive to attend Veterans programs and make donations and I`m sure there are many that silently feel the way I do.  JFK said "ask not what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country" well I`m just about done, if everyone is screwing all they can out of the government, I guess I won`t do anymore than I absolutely have to.  Just look at what this country has become.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8O6IMYSSs7c#!    I want as little as I can with the likes of this.

[r3020]

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@cowfarmer wrote:

I love following the arguments on this site, as you can see I don't post as much as some others but just don't have a lot of time. One thing I am learning by watching this is, the two sides truly don't like each other in this country. I would bet if some of the posters were in the same room together there would be at least a shouting match. I think in most of our lifetimes, blood will be shed over idealogy in this country, Just my two cents, and it probably aint worth that. But we truly are seperating in this country, I don't know if it's anyones fault, but it's happening.

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I disagree cow farmer. I could set down with Bruce, Bart, Mr. Kraft, Knapper, GTO, Nox, or any of the rest of my "adversaries" and have a wonderful afternoon. This is an internet chat room where we all discuss politics. yeah, it get rather heated but doesn't mean we could enjoy each others company. We're farmers, we could talk all day and politics would never come up.

[kraft-t]

I'm not goihg to elaborate, but you wouldn't find it pleasurable. I would likely tell you what I really think and you wouldn't enjoy that much and there is no use pretending that you would.

[kraft-t]

You beat the hell out of Obama as much as you could. Demonized him for 4 long years and the public rejected you. They don't believe you and that must be depressing to one that expected to be considered one of the rational right that has the greatest message and candidate to deliver.

Alas, the electorate determined that you and yours were full of crap and they rejected you quite handily. They chosed the cursed one instead of the supposed godly one that treated both his adverasires and voters like they were undesirables.

[r3020]

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@kraft-t wrote:

I'm not goihg to elaborate, but you wouldn't find it pleasurable. I would likely tell you what I really think and you wouldn't enjoy that much and there is no use pretending that you would.

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Oh now, now there Mr. Kraft. I know you have a sense of humor, I've seen it many times here. We'd have a grand time, I would even buy the beer.

[GreaTOne_65]

I'll bet you think, all those people are Democrats, right? BA?

[BA Deere]

Don or anyone for that matter, explain to me like a 5 yr old who we could`ve ran against 0bama that would`ve won?  Huntsman? Ron Paul?  Really? So if we ran Ron Paul against 0bama the districts in Ohio and Pennsylvania that had zero votes for Romney would`ve miraculously went for Ron Paul had he been our candidate?    ...of course not.   So, what message will the Republicans have to "sell" in 2014 to win?  What candidate will the Republicans have to run if there is an election 2016 and what would a winning Republican platform look like to win the 0bama-phone voters away from Hillary?   See, you can call telling the truth "demonizing", but I contend that even if the Republicans "moderated" their message Hillary will still win in 2016 because the Democrats will have a record of delivering on those goodies, the Republicans will at best be considered "Johnny-come-latelys".  The Democrats might as well continue to win, then they will definately own this mess.  However if the national debt goes from the present $16 Trillion to $40, $50 Trillion it`ll still some how be the fault of George W Bush.  People don`t look a gift horse in the mouth, and 0bama is a real dandy of a equine.  

[cowfarmer]

Thanks for your honesty, there is no reason to pretend in this world. My best friend since grade school and I don't really like being around each other anymore. He is a lib and I'm really not anymore, and it shows. I thought he might give Romney a chance when they booed god at the convention, he is a good christian and a good guy, but he told me that god getting booed wasn't Obama's position and he didn't care, so I left it at that. We both agreed Bush was a moron, but he gets **bleep** pissy when I tell him Obama is a below average pres.

[cowfarmer]

    Love your last post, I remember my dad telling me to sign up for the army instead of getting drafted during vietnam, we both had the idea that the country was never wrong and we should be over there. Plus he was a vet of WW2 and told me to sign up sooner than later because I would end up with a better group of guys, I left the service knowing that this country isn't always right, even if the intentions were good, I still don't know what our intentions were over there. Point being I don't think there is any shame in losing patriotism, you have the individual right to think what you want, and quite frankly this country has changed a whole lot since the 60's, I guess we will find out in time whether the change has been for the better, I link the change in large part to the counter culture of the 60's, a lot of those so called "hippies" stayed very involved in the pop culture and politics of the country, and many of the changes have come from those people. Clintons being a good example. I have come to the realization that the country of my youth is probably gone, it is what it is, as my father would say. We should just make the best of it.