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kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

The equipment only gets depreciated once but  the tax is never paid. A farmer can buy a $250K tractor and write the whole thing off in one year. If he is hig income he can do that year after year until the tax code is changed. Thus on That $250K purchase he is getting an income tax savings of $100k or more. He may not need the income to function so he is in effect making a $100K investment in assets with tax payers picking up the tab.

 

Look at the dudes with hughe combines big tractors and 24 row planters and ask your self how big must the deficits get before we require those chaps to pay in each and every year they make money.

 

I dare say alot of those purchases are product of want rather than need. A farmer can probably buy a suitable pickup to service his need for $30K but instead he springs for aluxurious $50 k pickup and the taxpayer subsidizes that. And this permiates all through the business world with excesses being deducted at taxpayer expense.

 

BTW taxesa avoided or postponed are a huge benefit. Arguing that evenutally he will pay taxes on the income produced to pay for it. He should consider himself lucky to deduct depreciation as it occurs with out expecting to take it in advance.

 

Capital gains is the same way. Using money for decades to accumulate even more wealth and then getting a favorable rate when and if you liquidate. And avoiding it completely at your demise should your estate be small enough.

 

It isn't the assembly line workers that are lobbying for such provisions in the tax code. It's businees interests that want to rig the tax code to favor them. Tell me how a union worker can postpone his income tax obbligation for decades or longer.

 

kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

Red, do you know that FICA taxes are supposed to fund entitlements and the amount raised by Fica taxes is staggering. Yet I guess we should cut entitlement spending so that you can award corps and rich people with lower tax rates.

kraft-t
Senior Advisor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

I know that many advocate that you should retire your highest interest debt first. Some are advocating eliminating the smaller debts first as that frees up cash for the next lowest debt amount.  This you eliminate one debt at a time totally so that frees up both the previous principal and interest payments to attack the next target debt.

 

I don't know exactly how that works out in the long run but is does eliminate creditor faster. Any way I hknow a family that is taking instruction from a promminent financial adviser and he advocates paying the smaller obligations first.

 

Iknow I paid off my 6,85 % farm mortgage and paid less on my 2.5% variable rate mortgage. But am a belever in paying everthing off faster than necessary. Pay a house off is like giving yourself a $1000 per month raise. Paying a farm off gives you a $20k raise per year.

dairy mom
Senior Contributor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Cooking the Golden Goose

shouldn't it be  Romney, Ryan and Cooking the Golden Goose.  Cause out collective "goose"  of the American way of life will be "cooked" if they get their way.

Hawken Cougar
Senior Contributor

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Jim B. in Iowa
Senior Contributor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

Save for an untimely death which gives the heirs a stepped up basis thus erasing whatever depriciation had occured on paper, the taxes DO get paid sooner or later. I'll bet you paid a decent tax bill after your farm auction, right? 

 

As far as farmers continually buying themselves out of paying taxes...sooner or later that catches up.  They still need to spend the money to get the depreciation.  How is this any different than allowing three year income averaging(save for SS)?  That actually allows one to go back on the previous years and add income. 

 

 

Farming, as you well know, is an volatile business when it comes to income...esp in a given time period.  Allowing businesses to average this income better rather than pay high rates than low rates is better for everyone...from the farmers to their input providers to the equipment companies to the small town businesses. 

 

 

But, like I said...the truth of the matter doesnt make much of a soundbite...just like the college loan interest rates.

BA Deere
Honored Advisor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

Perhaps a new Commander-in-Chief?   Smiley Very Happy 

Red Steele
Veteran Advisor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

Did Romney get his teeth fixed down in Mexico or something?

Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

Well, if you bought a house, or a boat, and deducted it as a business expense, I would say that your claims of not paying enough income taxes, would be 100% accurate.

GreaTOne_65
Senior Contributor

Re: Romney, Ryan and Saving the Golden Goose

After what the GOP and Dumya put us through? And you want a road map? God, you area piece of work! Can you breath on your own, or do you need help with that too, moron.