Sea level rise solved

[Canuck_2]

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@cotman03 wrote:

I was just about to post when I read 3020's post.  He beat me to it.  The question isn't if the sea level is rising.  It is.  The question is what are humans doing that is causing the rise?  There is no definitive answer to that question.  It just happens as it has happened since this world we live in began.  We may or may not be part of the problem.  I don't see how adding more layers of taxes and regulations, just in case we are the root cause of climate change and sea level rising, is going to do anything for the struggling economies of the world.   

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As you note the sea level IS rising but the point of the article was not about what was causing it but about the legislation that some states were passing to make it illegal to talk about it. Laws that do not allow the facts of the rising levels to be printed or spoken of. Laws that change the findings of studies to suit their 'beliefs' rather than the facts that they study found.

That is the problem. How can the public understand what is happening when their government makes it illegal to discuss the facts of the situation?

[wgjerde768071]

Jim

I am with Cannuck on this one! Which facts have been fabricated.   What are your facts. Do you have a study that

[bruce MN]

Canuck said:

"Indeed they have found evidence of what happened going back millions of years."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47884202

[hardnox604008]

surprised they didn't have a .xxx suffix on that link.

[schnurrbart]

You have to remember that 3020 doesn't think Man's activities have done ANYTHING that would in any fashion change anything happening in this world.  Did the Cuyahoga river in Cleveland catch on fire several times in the last century of it's own accord?  Just a little lazy river suddenly erupts in a blaze?  Someone strike a match and ignited a fish fart???

[Canuck_2]

Indeed bruce, 'cool'.

Amazing what has been found and learned and I expect there will be many more finds to enlighten us about past things that will be found in the future.

[r3020]

Bart, no one wants rivers that burn. That is not we are talking about. We are talking about man made global warming raising the sea levels and just how much you are willing to change your life style to lower those sea levels.

[Jim B. in Iowa]

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@Canuck_2 wrote:

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@Jim B. in Iowa wrote:

Most of the supposed facts distributed by the pro-global warming crowd have eventually been shown to be fabricated or manipulated to try to prove the hypothesis they are hoping is true.  The fact is we know remarkedly little about the actual events of the last five or ten thousand years...so to try to base current findings on past findings is at best a crap shoot.

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I would be interested in reading a study of all these fabrications and manipulations of facts.

I think you would be surprised just how much science does know of what happened in the last five to ten thousand years. Indeed they have found evidence of what happened going back millions of years. No they can not tell what the local temperature was on a specific day but they do know what the general climate was like.

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I didn't say they don't know anything...they certainly know a little....they also make a lot of assumptions.  We KNOW very little.  See...thats what I said the first time. 

As far as their data on GW:

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/november2008/111708_ipcc_caught.htm

You can dig for more. 

I'm not arguing that the earth isn't warming....it likely is with the evidence we have...but at a much slower rate than what the Pro-GW crowd would have us believe.  They want panic so they can get more study money.  The problem is they are a long way from proving the cause (which I believe is primarily natural/sun).  Their other problem is all their predictions are based on human formed equations, theories and limited info of past warming and cooling cycles.  One little flaw in their logic or equations and it skews everything beyond it. 

Here's an excellent back and forth article on it....you may see it written as an absolute....I see way too many areas of subjective data.  Actually, the comments following this are excellent and worth the read even if you skip the article:

http://news.thomasnet.com/green_clean/2012/06/06/the-climate-change-controversy-is-arctic-sea-ice-re...

[Jim B. in Iowa]

James Lovelock states it quite well here:

In an April 2012 interview Lovelock stated that he had previously been "alarmist" about the timing of climate change, but not about climate change itself: he still believes the climate should be warming although the rate of change is not as once thought:

"The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said…The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time ... it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising - carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that . . . There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now," he said.^[40]

[Canuck_2]

Jim; we are geting away from the original start of this thread about states who are legislating against using terms that the facts indicate are correct or are changing studies to suit their beliefs rather than the facts that the original report had in them.

But I think science still keeps showing what deniers of climate change/warming keep denying.

The old 'Hockey Stick Graph' keeps popping up as evidence that someone skewed results and that has been studied by many reports that keep showing the graph is basicly correct. Every study I have seen about it keep repeating the same basic findings even when they change data sets that some find not accurate.

Yes keep an open mind but from what I keep reading science keeps finding more evidence all the time for warming and that the warming is being impacted by man's activity.

Unrelated to this in many ways but probably an impact. I was listening to a program about invasive species and it was noted that the biggest invasive species in the world, the one species that has impacted the most areas of the world, being found in virtually all areas and overwhelming native species, changing the land to suit its own purposes at the expense of all other forms of life.............. MAN